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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 11/01/2005 : 5:13:14 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
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Originally posted by Flangepart
Yes, but is there room for G. Gordon Liddy as the one bad guy who got away from Crockett and Tubbs?
Didn't Phil Collins got away as well? It would be nice to see him in a cameo.
I think Glenn Frey also made to the end of an episode alive, he could cameo too. |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/01/2005 : 7:19:54 PM
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Originally posted by Capt. Nemo
This might be an interesting opportunity here.
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My hope is that someone might tell the tale about "Miami Vice". What were the details about what went wrong and why? It's Jabootu in action.
Trying to find out what causes a film to go straight to hell can be at least as entertaining as the movie itself (if not more so).
Yeah, I agree with that. There's a pretty good book about "Bonfire of the Vanities," (Devil's Candy, I think), but even that one never really came to grips with the dreadful reputation the film developed.
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It was indeed "The Devil's Candy" and it was a pretty good book. I just started reading "Final Cut", which was about the making of (gasp) Heaven's Gate. Say, I don't think Gate was bad enough to be Jabootu-worthy (I'm sure many will disagree), but the movie and its making deserve a look, just to try and figure out lessons Hollywood has learned -- and those it has refused to learn. |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/01/2005 : 7:48:43 PM
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"Final Cut" does bring out the dilemna of a film executive during an out-of-control production -- do you let the movie go on, do you pull the plug and throw away all the money you've spent up to date... it's honestly a tough place to be. I've been in the position of explaining to executives how they spent several million dollars on a software project and ended with something slightly inferior to freeware I could show them. It's not fun.
On a side note, I did hear a former narcotics cop who visited the set of "Heaven's Gate" say that he had never seen so many people coked out of their minds in his life. Treat this as an internet rumor, because I really can't give any more details than that.
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LCB
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 02:17:39 AM
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| I agree, rarely since the old "studio system" has there been a actor whose career has been this hyped and over-managed. |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 06:22:16 AM
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Originally posted by John Nowak
"Final Cut" does bring out the dilemna of a film executive during an out-of-control production -- do you let the movie go on, do you pull the plug and throw away all the money you've spent up to date... it's honestly a tough place to be. I've been in the position of explaining to executives how they spent several million dollars on a software project and ended with something slightly inferior to freeware I could show them. It's not fun.
On a side note, I did hear a former narcotics cop who visited the set of "Heaven's Gate" say that he had never seen so many people coked out of their minds in his life. Treat this as an internet rumor, because I really can't give any more details than that.
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We've always been united in stupidity. That's why there is no hope. But, then again, when has that ever stopped us?
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I always thought the cast and crew did their best to make it a good movie. Now if I heard Michael Cimino was coked up out of his mind, I wouldn't have trouble believing it.
The scariest four words a Hollywood exec could hear: "We're remaking Heaven's Gate." The joke is, that could actually work, if done right. |
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Desslar
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/28/2005 : 12:57:28 AM
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Originally posted by CDiehl
2. Why is Colin Farrell able to go out and drink while shooting a movie? I think it's long past time the movie industry started demanding actors stay clean when making a movie, if only to keep from having to deal with the fallout when they do something stupid while under the influence.
One would think that such a "morality clause" would be common sense in the industry. In effect, a movie star is like a star athlete - if they abuse their body until they cannot give a good performance OR if they alienate a significant portion of their fan base, the whole enterprise suffers. Perhaps Mann and Farrell wouldn't need 30 takes if Farrell hadn't been swigging straight vodka till the wee hours the night before.
It makes me think that Hollywood is so fueled now by intoxicating/illegal substances that even the top brass can't conceive of a production without them.
But this is what makes Hollywood stars exciting to the public. They're always doing some crazy thing. Would Farrell get "bad boy" roles if he spent all his time at the library? |
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 11/28/2005 : 08:22:25 AM
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Well, he won't get many more bad boy roles (or any other) if he develops the reputation of someone who costs the studio more in down time than he brings in in publicity.
I'm not convinced that "there's no such thing as bad publicity". Nowadays, we're so supersaturated with celebrity gossip that many people are actually getting jaded. Ben Affleck's career would probably not have taken the hit from Gigli that it did if people weren't sick to the teeth of hearing about "Bennifer". There were rumours that Spieberg was not amused when the publicity over the release of War of the Worlds was superceded by Tom Cruise's antics.
I think the actors with the most enduring careers, and the most professional respect, are those who keep their private lives out of the public eye. For one thing, I think it's easier to see the actor "in character" if you haven't just been reading all about his/her romantic life. If Farrell is content in playing JUST "bad boy" roles, he can probably coast on his reputation for a while (until he gets old enough that he's stuck playing "revolting and/or pathetic drunken older men"); but becoming a celebrity in some ways seems to signal the end of one's chance to be an actor.
For example, Robert Downey Jr. is a good actor; but I can't see him on screen without thinking of his substance abuse problems, rather than his character. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 11/28/2005 : 09:38:51 AM
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I know it is hard to believe, but I quite enjoyed the 4 hour cut of Heaven's gate. Not that it isn't 240 minutes of coked, ego-drenched ride, which it is, but the acting was quite good, and its complete lack of respect for conventional storytelling felt quite refreshing.
Of course, show that movie to a normal person and after you admit the whole thing was pointless, you'd better run. |
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kdraut
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/28/2005 : 10:05:01 AM
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I'm still having trouble getting my brain wrapped around the idea of a Miami Vice movie twenty years after the show gave up the ghost.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 11/28/2005 : 5:51:51 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
I know it is hard to believe, but I quite enjoyed the 4 hour cut of Heaven's gate. Not that it isn't 240 minutes of coked, ego-drenched ride, which it is, but the acting was quite good, and its complete lack of respect for conventional storytelling felt quite refreshing.
Of course, show that movie to a normal person and after you admit the whole thing was pointless, you'd better run.
Heaven's Gate wasn't near as bad as most of the critics said. It was very well acted, the production design and photography were fantastic, and there were plenty of great moments... just enough to make you wonder what a classic it might have been had United Artists kept Cimino from running off the rails. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 11/29/2005 : 02:39:18 AM
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2005 : 06:35:50 AM
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Originally posted by Neville
Thanks for reassuring my sanity, BradH812, I feel much better now.
Well, I wouldn't go THAT far.... <ducking, running> |
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tam1MI
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
558 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2005 : 6:32:11 PM
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Originally posted by LCB
I agree, rarely since the old "studio system" has there been a actor whose career has been this hyped and over-managed.
He has clawed his way to respectability now, but when he first hit the screen Matthew McCougnahey was completely a creature of hype. (Anybody remember all those magazine covers proclaiming him "the next Paul Newman"?). |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 12/01/2005 : 02:58:57 AM
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2005 : 9:58:55 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
I've seen "Sahara" and "respectability" is not exactly the word that first comes to my mind when I think of it.
Funny, I just saw the Bogart film...
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