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kdraut
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 12/06/2005 : 2:17:18 PM
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[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1657942,00.html[/url]
Looks like Polly Toynbee could use a bit of a vacation. Her review reads like the work of an angry 14-year-old who is doing their level-best to shock their parents. I wonder if she smokes clove cigarettes and shops at Hot Topic? Here's a sample:
"Of all the elements of Christianity, the most repugnant is the notion of the Christ who took our sins upon himself and sacrificed his body in agony to save our souls. Did we ask him to? Poor child Edmund, to blame for everything, must bear the full weight of a guilt only Christians know how to inflict, with a twisted knife to the heart."
I think Polly needs a hug.
Kirk
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 3:15:50 PM
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| Ah yes, the "how dare Christianity try to make me feel GUILTY?" stance, usually fitted in somewhere between the stancee's complaints about racial injustice and global warming. Oh, and war crimes against Smurfs. |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2005 : 3:17:01 PM
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Yes she does. It's shocking, the movie follows the book which has Christian allegorical elements. I keep wanting to type replies to this article, but the sheer insanity of it would require and almost sentence by sentence rebuttal.
The movie will stand or fall on how well it is done. Reviews I have seen appear to fall in the Good range.
The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist. |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 5:30:21 PM
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Yep.
I'm afraid i find the word "Bitter, angey and egocentic tend to sprimg to mind.
"Cole, stop handing Dr. Doom the Keys to the Baxter building." Brent Sienna/PvP.
"I speak 34 different languages. But gibberish is not one of them."- Danger Mouse.
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GalahadPC
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
380 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2005 : 6:25:32 PM
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"Of all the elements of Christianity, the most repugnant is the notion of the Christ who took our sins upon himself and sacrificed his body in agony to save our souls. Did we ask him to?"
No, no we didn't. Of course, if it bothers you that much Polly, nobody says you have to thank him or show gratitude.
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Edited by - GalahadPC on 12/06/2005 6:26:33 PM |
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 6:57:05 PM
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 7:16:26 PM
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Triviachamp wrote:
Well it's the Guardian. What do you expect from a paper which said that Freddy got Fingered will be a classic?
Well, it is a classic. A classic example of how the film industry can slap an audience in the face while touting a no-talent fool who could only have had his project greenlighted by a psychopath. As for Polly, I just feel sorry for her.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
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Culfy
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 10:36:48 AM
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Normally I like Polly Toynbee's writings, especially on social issues.
Sadly, she's lost a lot of respect from me (which I'm sure will greatly concern her) over this issue.
I am well aware of the christian viewpoint of this movie. I am basically a liberal humanist atheist, yet I can put this aside to enjoy this film (much in the same way that I can put aside the fact that I basically agree with the politics of Superman IV to agree with Ken that it's crap)
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Zev
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 12:10:50 PM
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"Of all the elements of Christmas, the most repugnant is the notion that instead of buying gifts for yourself, you have to buy gifts for others and hope they get you what you want. Do we ask them to? The poor no-gift-giver, to blame for everything, must bear the full weight of a present only Christians know how to inflict, with a pretty ribbon on top."
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Originally posted by TheFoywonder
Now they need to make a movie where soldiers in Iraq actually find one of Saddam Hussein's secret underground chemical weapons facilities only to find it overrrun with big mutant sand spiders. And the the film will be called IRAQNID!
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PaulaJohnson
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 1:39:25 PM
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"Poor child Edmund, to blame for everything, must bear the full weight of a guilt only Christians know how to inflict, with a twisted knife to the heart."
Maybe she's right. Edmund just had a turkish delight addiction, and couldn't really be held responsible for his actions anyway. He needed rehab, not the threat of death for treason. Aslan should have just appealed the sentence and negotiated a plea agreement to set the kid up with 30 days in the Betty Ford Clinic instead.
Sarcasm comes through in the written word, doesn't it?
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Juniper
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 1:54:30 PM
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Good night, I had to be told that there are elements of Christan theology in the Narnia cycle some time after I read a few of the books. Of course I'm not the brightest or it could be a case of the Christian Propaganda working so well it was unnoticable. Still I feel sorry for anyone who has to get so defensive of any point left to right. Because such rancor usually betrays the lack of faith or conviction said person has in their belief. I don't believe in God, I understand the need for faith in others and just as I don't plan to picket openings of Narnia, I'm able to recognize that the majority of Christians aren't about to punch me in the kidneys and kneel on my gasping body reading me selections from Exodus and Revelations. All the bruha is making me want to go back and read the books again. I didn't read more than two because fantasy never really captured my imagination and I wanted the first to spend much more time on the reign of the children.
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 2:18:22 PM
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Originally posted by Culfy
Normally I like Polly Toynbee's writings, especially on social issues.
Sadly, she's lost a lot of respect from me (which I'm sure will greatly concern her) over this issue.
Perhaps she one of those "progressives" upset about Bush's reelection so she gets really grumpy and snarky, just like the Flick Filosopher. |
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PaulaJohnson
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 3:37:31 PM
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Ya know, what gets me is, C.S. Lewis made no bones about the fact that he was writing a Christian analogy. But no one's requiring anyone else to read it that way. I was snarky above, but really, Edmond's situation could just as easily be read as a comment on addiction and the need for intervention. The craving for turkish delight was what was undoing him, to an extent. Or the sometimes seductiveness of what can actually be the worst thing for us.
To contrast, look at J.R.R. Tolkein (a friend of Lewis's if I remember right). Didn't he state that his Lord of the Rings trilogy was particular NOT standing for any sort of religious theology? But you can read a lot of Christianity into it, too (seductiveness of power and possessions, the "resurrection" of Gandalf). Heck, you can read LOTS into it, too - environmentalism, race relations, etc.
Okay, I'm hitting this from the Christian perspective because it's what I know the most about.
But whether something was written in a particular context or not, anyone can find one. A lot of it is in the interpretation. If Ms. Tonybee is so offended by Christianity, she didn't have to read it into the scenes playing out. She could have taken it as a story, just for entertainment value.
I came, I saw, I was really too tired to deal with it so I just went to bed. |
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 4:50:24 PM
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There's little that makes a movie review less readable than the reviewer going off on a complete tangent about some political/theological/philosphical issue only tangentially related to the movie as a whole. My favorite was the review in one of the Canadian newspapers (Globe and Mail), where the reviewer took three full columns to fulminate against Star Trek 3 for its "Reaganite propaganda".
What, you don't recall ST3 being heavy right-wing agit-prop? Well, you must have missed how the quote "Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many..." is clearly anti-socialist. To have it spoken by the hero - and to actually have the theory lead to a happy ending - was all cleverly designed to poison the minds of innocent young sci-fi fans.
I still wonder how the liberal Mr. Roddenbury would have taken the article. |
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Triviachamp
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 6:11:33 PM
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Originally posted by twitterpate
There's little that makes a movie review less readable than the reviewer going off on a complete tangent about some political/theological/philosphical issue only tangentially related to the movie as a whole.
So you don't like Ed Gonzales then? :P How about liberals pissed off with Bush so they rant in all of their reviews? I just listed the Flick Filosopher as an example. |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 6:46:19 PM
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Originally posted by twitterpate
What, you don't recall ST3 being heavy right-wing agit-prop? Well, you must have missed how the quote "Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many..." is clearly anti-socialist. To have it spoken by the hero - and to actually have the theory lead to a happy ending - was all cleverly designed to poison the minds of innocent young sci-fi fans.
What?!?!? That's just insane. I just always took it to mean that loyalty and friendship were more important than utilitarian concerns. And nobody forced them to sacrifice to save Spock. They did it of their own volition. Some people are really over the edge.
I guess the reviewer would have the 3 Musketeers start at "One for all" and leave out the first part. :-)
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