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sister mary dispair
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 12/20/2005 : 3:29:11 PM
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i know Tolkien and Lewis were friends, though i understnd that they didn't like each other's fantasy realms though. as for this polly woman she needs to calm down I mean, geez woman! Of all the things you can point to in Christianity, both ancient and modern, you point to Jesus dying for our sins? Give me a break!
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 1:29:59 PM
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I just saw the movie (in a theatre packed with kids... ugh) and though it was pretty bland. After all the talk on its supposed religious content and on its content being inadecuate for children (believe me I've read a couple of those as well), I found it to be just a bland mix of "Neverending Story" and "Lord of the Rings". Narnia was so full of CGI and supposed "wonders" (Talking animals! Never seen this before!) that I dind't find it neither intriging nor the least threatening, and both the characters and the filmmaking lacked any soul or depth.
I'd save Tilda Swinton's appearences as the witch, though, as she was excellent and the director managed not to spoil her scenes, but I still feel she was underused. I mean, that relationship she had with Edmund could have been far more interesting if they had tried just a little harder.
Oh, and about the religious imagery, it was so limited and so general that I wouldn't have cared for it if it hadn't been for this post. It wouldn't surprise me if Disney was encouraging the controversy (they screened the movie in some churches, didn't they?) just to sell some more tickets. |
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Sandy Petersen
Archdeacon of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 9:31:59 PM
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Jeeze Waffle Man, even though I agree that the four kids are dull, I also think that's part of Lewis's plan. He WAS perfectly capable of making fully fleshed out characters (unlike Tolkien, IMO) - in fact, he does it with several characters in the first Narnia book.
I think that the purpose behind the plain vanilla kids is to make it easier to identify with them. Who identifies with Archie Goodwin or Rumpole? We love them, but they're not US. They probably wouldn't even like us if we met them. But Peter, Susan, Edmund, & Lucy, because they are bland, misty characters (like the Continental Op or Frodo) become templates that anyone can fit their own personality around. And why the multiplicity of kids? The story would clearly have worked just as well if Edmund was the only character. But adding the other kids lets you identify with your own birth order and gender. I actually think this was quite clever of Lewis and I applaud him for it.
And if a person doesn't believe in Christ's sacrifice, what point does it make to rant and rave about how you didn't ask him to sacrifice for you? Many Christians would agree with you that He didn't. And why would you care anyway? I think Toynbee is just emitting the normal British reflexive curmudgeonly anti-clericism.
And furthermore Aslan does not in fact say "Because I said so" in the book, so it's not fair to ding it for saying that, anymore than it's fair to ding Mary Poppins for doing the same thing again and again. It's very British, after all. |
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KreenWarrior
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
111 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2005 : 10:37:15 PM
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| I saw it, and mostly loved it. I thought Lucy was wonderful in particular (I for one don't share the hatred of child actors that many people have). My only complaint was that they did kind of make Edmund lower key than in the book. In the book, he was clearly under magical influence, which was pretty much the only reason he was evil. It wasn't so clear in the movie. Also, Edmund destroying the witch's wand is less important in the movie, as she just picks up a new sword, while in the book it was clearly supposed to be a major tactical victory (the Witch was described as turning troops to stone left and right). I always liked Edmund, though, so that's the only reason I was nitpicky about it. |
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andy80
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 12:43:48 AM
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| I'm sure hoping they make the other books. Makes me wonder is they'll bother with "A Horse and His Boy?" Its kinda of a side story, out of sequence, the Arabs/Muslims aren't exactly painted in a positive light. |
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KreenWarrior
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
111 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2005 : 04:20:04 AM
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| *Shrugs* I loved Horse and His Boy, I consider it one of the better books, so personally I hope they do it. |
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Sandy Petersen
Archdeacon of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2005 : 3:25:38 PM
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Well I think it was an improvement to make Edmund bad without the magical influence. After all, if he's magically controlled, then he's NOT bad, right?
I agree about Edmund's breaking of the wand - should have been more than just "saving Peter". |
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Asta Kask
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Sweden
263 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2005 : 02:08:47 AM
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Reading "the Last Battle" (the final book in the saga) together with the Book of Revelations is a real treat. If you're weird, like me.
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 01/06/2006 : 4:20:15 PM
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Matrixprime
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2006 : 4:47:09 PM
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I need to pick the collection up; I read the books, twice over, years ago. I pride myself on having a near photographic memory for fiction read, but try as I might I can't remember ANYTHING substantial.
Based on that, I would think that the series was probably not substantial enough for my tastes. Of course, back when I read it I had no idea that there were religious connotations to the series, but I doubt that would have mattered to me. I love to read, and was reading books like the Stand by fifth grade (books of equal maturity level and thickness) so they probably weren't long enough for me to sink into.
All the same, I would like to see the movie, but when it comes out on DVD. By then I will have read the books, and can enjoy at my leisure. Plus, not look so odd in a theatre largely full of children.
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