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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 09/14/2007 : 12:57:02 PM
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Yep, that diplomat that gets murdered in Tanger is an American.
About Hollywood and politics... no doubt there are filmmakers that make films that reflect their own political beliefs (George Clooney would be a good example), but I think, generally speaking, that most of them just do what they think it's on demand or that will sell well. For instance, there are several movies out there offering more bitter than sweet views on the Irak war. I'm thinking on the likes of Irwin Winkler's Home of the brave or the upcoming De Palma'sRedacted. They've never been overtly political (as far as I know) in their other films, but here and now they have decided to make these films.
There's even the case of films / series that try to please too many masters, like 24, which is rather ambivalent when it comes to politics, to the point of contradicting itself several times over key issues. Hardly the work of any competent activist.
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 09/14/2007 : 8:46:15 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
Yep, that diplomat that gets murdered in Tanger is an American.
So did the movie actually say that the world is upset because the intelligence agency was targeting Americans? (BTW, that wasn't Treadstone, it was kinda like the umbrella op that spawned Treadstone, or something like that.) |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 09/15/2007 : 03:05:03 AM
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Let me see if I can answer all that...
1) It's not exactly Treadstone, but Blackbriar or something like that, but as the journalist puts it, it's just Treadstone 2.0.
2) Only when David Strathairn starts ordering killings of Americans (the diplomat and Julia Stiles' character) the people around him start having cold feet (in the movie we see him reiterating the order). However, later when Pamela Landy gains access to the documents we learn they have murdered Americans in the past. Ironically, we've never heard about any of them until now.
3) In the final section on the movie, it is mentioned several times that the public and the congress won't accept the American victims (nothing is said of the rest) and that that revelation alone could close Treadstone / Blackbriar for good. I also think (but I'm not sure) that the news report at the end only mentions the American victims. |
Edited by - Neville on 09/15/2007 03:10:23 AM |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2007 : 10:40:13 AM
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I think you're projecting a bias that really isn't there. After all, what's the basic plot in all three films? Kill Jason Bourne. What's his nationality? American. Does anyone at the Agency protest his being targeted for termination? No. (Well, Joan Allen does, but not on the grounds that he's a U.S. citizen.)
As for Ultimatum, IIRC the Guardian reporter is whacked before Joan Allen joins Straithairn's "team", so how can she protest something she doesn't know about? And again, Straithhairn's people evince no hesitation in trying to kill Bourne, stars and stripes be damned.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall anyone other than Joan Allen and her partner getting "cold feet" over assassinating the diplomat. Straithairn's people do get edgy when ordered to train their crosshairs to Stiles, but I understood their objection to be based on the grounds that she was a fellow CIA officer, and not because she was an American.
Not that I want to go on too much about this, because I found Ultimatum to be a major disappointment.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 09/15/2007 : 12:51:06 PM
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| Projecting a bias myself? Could be, I'm human. Film critics are the masters when it comes to finding messages, and I have yet to see a reviewer that thinks the way I do. Still, the friends that watched the film with me agreed it was sort of disturbing. |
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