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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 02/28/2006 : 3:56:13 PM
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I'll probably see END OF THE SPEAR when it comes out on DVD. I just don't have the time right now to get out and see it. The boycott by certain groups was pretty stupid in my opinion. The actor was playing a role. While I believe homosexuality to be wrong, I know for sure that none of the other actors are without sin.
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BlamWalker
Archdeacon of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/28/2006 : 4:48:36 PM
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I am also a Christian, and agree whoehartedly with the gerneral opinion here.
What I would like to see is a movie with Christain characters that is NOT about the end times.....there are great books by folks like Peretti or Francine Rivers or Terri Blackstock that could be made into good Christian themed films that aren't about armegedon.
I'll second that. Frank Peretti's 'Monster' would probably make for a pretty good movie, if it was handled halfway decent. |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
727 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2006 : 01:52:11 AM
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See, I hate this idea that because you're a Christian, you HAVE to like stuff like this, no matter how counterintuitive that may be. Obviously no one here buys into that idea, but I think a lot of people do, which is why they're best sellers. I used to work in a bookstore, in the Religion section (among others), and a couple asked me where they could find the Left Behind series. When I told them it was in "Fiction", they flipped out. It took me nearly twenty minutes to explain to them that this was not a value judgement on the content of the books themselves. The same goes for "The Passion of the Christ", which at least was a competent movie. It's about Jesus! If you don't go see it, and like it, you'll go to hell! (To quote Homer Simpson, "No one gets into heaven without a glowstick!")
Ironically, the best Christian movie I've ever seen was "The Last Temptation of Christ", and you know how THAT was recieved...
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
2329 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2006 : 10:04:11 AM
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Well, i can understand you point, Prankster.
You have to discern carefully what is in any thing.
Just because its "Christian" don't nessarily make it good.
No one is perfect, and we all have individual viewpoints. I just take things with a grain of salt....okey, some times a box of salt....yes, some times a truck load! ( It is election season, btw.)...and deal with it.
Cause lets face it...cheese knows no boundries.
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sister mary dispair
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2006 : 11:42:18 AM
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I liked the Judgement movie in this series, but that featured Mr. T and Corbin Bernson(sp?) playing roles that they potray quite effetively. Bernson is a lawyer and T is a tough crusading against evil. It's no Oscar winner but it's an enjoyable rainy-day flick.
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BlamWalker
Archdeacon of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2006 : 5:16:57 PM
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Originally posted by Prankster
See, I hate this idea that because you're a Christian, you HAVE to like stuff like this, no matter how counterintuitive that may be. Obviously no one here buys into that idea, but I think a lot of people do, which is why they're best sellers. I used to work in a bookstore, in the Religion section (among others), and a couple asked me where they could find the Left Behind series. When I told them it was in "Fiction", they flipped out. It took me nearly twenty minutes to explain to them that this was not a value judgement on the content of the books themselves. The same goes for "The Passion of the Christ", which at least was a competent movie. It's about Jesus! If you don't go see it, and like it, you'll go to hell! (To quote Homer Simpson, "No one gets into heaven without a glowstick!")
This is true, and the problem goes both ways: attach the 'Christian' label to something, and you better believe that non-Christians won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Mind you, I'm not a Christian (I like to think of myself as a 'non-practicing Christian') but I don't let that stop me from enjoying Christian entertainment (particularly music; I'm a huuuuge fan of Skillet, Joy Electric, Deitiphobia, and The Echoing Green). It really is a shame, I think, that people can't set their theological differences aside and just enjoy it for what it is: entertainment. You don't have to agree with the message, just respect the fact that it means something to the artist and others. |
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2006 : 7:48:01 PM
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The reason many non-Christians won't touch anything with a Christian label on it is because too many Christian films are far more interested in prostelytizing than entertaining. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS is essentially a Christian movie but it understands that the storytelling comes first and any religious message will come naturally from it. By contrast, modern Christian films (i.e. LEFT BEHIND, TIME CHANGER, OMEGA CODE) in addition to often being rather schlocky in nature often put the message before the story and feel more interested to preaching to the choir and beating everyone else senseless. Actually, this is a problem that most modern message movies whether political or religious, left wing or right wing, suffer from. Case in point, THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, a perfectly fine romantic comedy that suddenly comes to a screeching halt so Michael Douglas can deliver this heavy handed and ham fisted pro-ACLU speech that no sane politician would ever give. Going back to modern Christian filmmakers, most of them seem to make their films with a "circle the wagons" mentality that gives the films an exclusionary feel which is often off-putting to not only more secualar audiences but even other Christians that aren't as hardcore (for lack of a better word) in how they view the rest of the world.
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
727 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2006 : 01:10:03 AM
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Originally posted by TheFoywonder
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS is essentially a Christian movie
Because who's more Christian than Moses, right?
I kid, I kid. Yes, I don't think non-Christians have any problem with Christian entertainment if it's actually entertainment. It would take a pretty hardcore atheist (?) to refuse to take their kids to see the Chronicles of Narnia.
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MikeC
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2006 : 10:45:18 AM
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Originally posted by Prankster
Ironically, the best Christian movie I've ever seen was "The Last Temptation of Christ", and you know how THAT was recieved...
The best two 'christian' movies I've seen are:
DOGMA and JESUS CHRIST, VAMPIRE HUNTER
MikeC, why yes, I *AM* Catholic, thank you. |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2006 : 11:13:26 PM
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| You have to admit there's a certain lame genius to naming the antichrist "Nicolae Carpathia". Just say it out loud. Isn't that fun?? And it's, you know, all symbolic and stuff. *g* |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2006 : 11:14:38 PM
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| You have to admit there's a certain lame genius to naming the antichrist "Nicolae Carpathia". Just say it out loud. Isn't that fun?? And it's you know, all symbolic and stuff. *g* |
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/04/2006 : 2:08:57 PM
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With a name like "Nicolae Carpathia" he's got to be a VAMPIRE!
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
237 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2006 : 10:04:33 PM
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I found the most corny name in all the Left Behind books to be the airline pilot - Rayford STEELE. It just sounds so contrived. Whenever I hear it, I think of the riff they did on MST3K for "Space Mutiny" where they speculated on what the main character's name might be - "Big McLargehuge" pops to mind.
The eerie thing is that one of the main characters is named Cameron (my brother's name) and his friend in the very first book is named Dirk (my name). Of course (SPOILER) Dirk gets offed right away. That, more than the terrible writing, caused me to stop reading :) |
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KurtVon
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
387 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2006 : 11:11:08 PM
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Didn't they also do a bit where you can be a real man's man by choosing a short male first name and a hard substance for a last name. Crow was something like "Jake Tungsten".
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Matrixprime
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 05:56:05 AM
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From what I've read, Kirk Cameron (who has an evangelical website that was referenced on Something Awful a few times) was very keen on starring in the movie version of these 'books'.
For the Left Behind books, I read a Newsweek or Time article about the series, with an interview of the 'creators'. They write the books in tandem, and LaHaye admits to not caring if its well written or not - he just wants to spread The Message. Jenkins kind of smooths things over.
I've read all the books (the first few out of curiousity, the rest as my mother read them) and you can definitely tell - you get a few, somewhat decent chapters, and then a Rant.
The books are poorly written though - if I was completely unaware of where they were pulled from, I'd think it was a childs writing assignment in a Catholic School. The first problem is that when the story gets tough to try and explain, the writers just move on. For example, when Nicholae Carpathia dies and rises again, and everyone starts to worship him - its in accordance with the 'Prophecies' of Revelation, but rather than playing out the moment realistically (general reactions of fear, shock, horror, etc, etc) its lazily pawned off as 'those not in our secret club now think he's God'. If the story took place in the 10th century, maybe - but in this day and age people would THINK a bit more.
They also turn over every fourth chapter or so to a religious rant, explained as 'the newest email to the resistance' or 'a posted answer on the internet'.
I've also read their 'non fiction' book Revelation Unveiled, which outlines their beliefs about the impending armageddon. Its something they wrote over 20 years ago, and then re-updated to correspond to their series.
Of course, they also have a graphic novel version, a kids series (a disgusting idea if I ever heard of one, and one that scares me as there are undoubtedly young children being given them by well meaning relatives), and now a series of prequel novels. Of course, even though the books are ridiculously expensive, even when they finally are reduced to a normal book size, its all for the benefit of the Lord, right? (/sarcasm)
Granted, my perspective is as a strong Roman Catholic who doesn't put much faith in organized religious....organizations (Austin Power moment, sorry). A Baptist may find these books more involved, as thats their target audience. I don't believe in the Rapture, or the literal interpretation of Revelation, and even if I did, I wouldn't put any faith in what those two cook up.
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