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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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 Posted - 08/30/2007 : 10:57:13 AM
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This morning I took the shortest test and I am (drum roll)
Adolf Hitler!
Let me say this clear: all we agree with is that building more highways is a good idea. |
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Gristle McThornbody
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Germany
186 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2007 : 12:35:43 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
This morning I took the shortest test and I am (drum roll)
Adolf Hitler!
Let me say this clear: all we agree with is that building more highways is a good idea.
Could this be the first instance of someone "Godwin'ing" themselves?
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2007 : 1:41:35 PM
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I prefer the expression "boomerang thread". That is, a thread that eventually discredits its author.
Damn, now I'll have to take the whole test. |
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1791 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2007 : 3:12:53 PM
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I am Abe Lincoln, the man I frequently critcize!
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935 |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2007 : 5:59:03 PM
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
I am Abe Lincoln, the man I frequently critcize!
Surely you jest! No one could possibly, ever in the history of mankind, EVER be critical of Abe Lincoln!!
Well, OK, that guy who shot him maybe.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2007 : 7:10:20 PM
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Abraham Lincoln with the full set of questions.
- While science has societal benefits, science is not a social virtue. - |
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throughthelookingglass
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2007 : 10:03:21 PM
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| I'm Abe Lincoln with 45 questions |
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Altair IV
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Japan
110 Posts |
Posted - 08/31/2007 : 12:19:39 PM
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Another 'stein here. Pretty predictable, actually. Who else could a quiet, geeky, intellectual-type like me be? I mean, I can even pronounce "nuclear" correctly.
Oh, and by the way...
Q42) I frequently amuse myself.
...is just slightly open to interpretation. ;-) |
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 12:27:18 PM
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Originally posted by Sardu
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
I am Abe Lincoln, the man I frequently critcize!
Surely you jest! No one could possibly, ever in the history of mankind, EVER be critical of Abe Lincoln!!
Well, OK, that guy who shot him maybe.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
--Tampopo
Jefferson Davis sent three diplomats to Washington city to negotiate. Lincoln sent nine warships to South Carolina and Florida to take Charleston harbor and Pensacola, forceing the South Carolina malitia to fire on Fort Sumter to force it's surrender.
RESULT: 600,000 Americans killed and the Southern econimy (Once the richest in the US) wrecked untill c1941.
There is a lot more history books don't mention, so don't get me started.
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935 |
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 11:09:13 PM
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Um, the Southern economy existed because of...shall we say...really cheap labor costs. And should the Confederacy succeeded in winning it's independence, it would've been an Apartheid style state that would've been the shame of the western hemisphere. A shame that would likely have persisted well into the 20th Century.
But this is right at about the time most defenders of the Confederacy say something to the effect that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
Perhaps it was. Perhaps it wasn't...but secession WAS about slavery. Secession wasn't about trade tariffs and all that palaver.
Right about this time is when such defenders start quoting works from contemporary writers saying it just wasn't so.
Well, don't go to contemporary writers. Go directly to the source.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/texsec.htm
There is the Texas Declaration of Causes for secession from the Union. If the most rabid libertarian got together with Joseph Goebbels to write a list of greivances, it would likely look much like the Texas Declaration of Causes for Secession.
Here's a particularly favorite passage of mine:
We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
Have a look at that and tell me secession wasn't about preserving the institution of human bondage. You can't honestly do it.
But what about the other states in the Confederacy? Surely there is some evidence among their Declarations to suggest that secession wasn't merely for the paltry and shameful reason of holding human beings as property? Surely there is something more noble than "We ain't a'gonna' let you free our colored folks and have them puttin' on airs and gettin' uppity!"
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csapage.htm
A few others are there. You will not find much there that is edifying or likely to induce me to shed a tear while strumming "Dixie" on a banjo.
And for what it is worth, towards the end of that war the Confederate government in Richmond passed a law that would grant freedom to any slaves who enlisted to fight in the Confederate army. Not only was it too little too late, it was also a belated acknowledgement that a centralized government indeed DID have the right to free slaves from their masters.
Kind of making the whole point of secession meaningless to begin with... |
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Gristle McThornbody
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Germany
186 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2007 : 01:20:42 AM
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
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Originally posted by Sardu
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
I am Abe Lincoln, the man I frequently critcize!
Surely you jest! No one could possibly, ever in the history of mankind, EVER be critical of Abe Lincoln!!
Well, OK, that guy who shot him maybe.
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
--Tampopo
Jefferson Davis sent three diplomats to Washington city to negotiate. Lincoln sent nine warships to South Carolina and Florida to take Charleston harbor and Pensacola, forceing the South Carolina malitia to fire on Fort Sumter to force it's surrender.
RESULT: 600,000 Americans killed and the Southern econimy (Once the richest in the US) wrecked untill c1941.
There is a lot more history books don't mention, so don't get me started.
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935
Uh, not to presume to speak for other people, but I do believe Sardu was being facetious.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!" |
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 09/01/2007 : 01:31:45 AM
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For some, discussing anything about those events precludes anything approaching facetiousness. It is a grimly serious topic and a source of bitterness for reasons I cannot pretend to fathom. For if things had gone differently, the United States as we know it today would not exist.
My love of this country is so unconditional (warts and all) that I cannot fathom why some lament that this country wasn't split in two with one half lapsing into a backwards, degenerate agrarian apartheid state that would make Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe look like Monaco.
Perhaps the most perplexing of all is when current residents of the geographic region called the "South" respond to historical observations against the Confederacy as if the speaker or writer were somehow commenting on the people living there today. It would be like me taking umbrage at criticism of Benjamin Harrison as an affront to the state of Ohio. |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2007 : 10:25:56 AM
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Indeed- while my own personal view is that Abe is at least *generally* deserving of all the praise heaped upon him, I just meant that while history has reached a consensus on him that is rarely challenged back at that time obviously there were people who felt differently. I wasn't injecting any of my attitudes about him into things. The most I'll say about the war is that sometimes its possible to have completely wrong motivations push you in a right direction. In general, I find the south's desires to be able to protect their right to choose how to live from a central government laudable- what killed them was that the lifestyle they wanted to uphold was reprehensible and couldn't be abided. It's like someone going, "I want the right to practice my religion protected!" And you go, "OK, awesome. And what would that be?" "Drinking the blood of freshly killed babies." "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh..."
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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Edited by - Sardu on 09/01/2007 10:26:40 AM |
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 09/01/2007 : 7:24:02 PM
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
Um, the Southern economy existed because of...shall we say...really cheap labor costs.
Do you REALLY think it's "cheep" to provide food, clothing, housing, medical care, ect for your employees from birth till death? Maybe you are thinking of the NORTHERN mode of slavery where the company charged for EVERYTHING and the employees ended up OWING more than they were paid?
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And should the Confederacy succeeded in winning it's independence, it would've been an Apartheid style state that would've been the shame of the western hemisphere. A shame that would likely have persisted well into the 20th Century.
What proof do you have of that? What CRYSTAL BALL have you looked into?
Besides, NEW ENGLAND owned and operated America's SLAVE SHIPS yet we hear nothing of that.
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But this is right at about the time most defenders of the Confederacy say something to the effect that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
Lincoln himself said that too. And when the Confederacy was founded with six states and the North had a clear political majority, the "freedom-loving North" took imediate action and RAISED THE PROTECTIVE TARRIF.
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Perhaps it was. Perhaps it wasn't...but secession WAS about slavery. Secession wasn't about trade tariffs and all that palaver.
No, it was about New England violating the United States Constitution and Lincoln saying publicly that he would back them up in anything they said and did.
New England had threatened to secceed SIX TIMES since the ratification of the U.S. Constitution, once durring the War Of 1912, which was being fought to protect their shipping intrests.
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Right about this time is when such defenders start quoting works from contemporary writers saying it just wasn't so.
Well, don't go to contemporary writers. Go directly to the source.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/texsec.htm
Ah yes, Yale. The school that has the names of NAZIS who graduated from the school, but NOT CONFEDERATES.
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There is the Texas Declaration of Causes for secession from the Union. If the most rabid libertarian got together with Joseph Goebbels to write a list of greivances, it would likely look much like the Texas Declaration of Causes for Secession.
Here's a particularly favorite passage of mine:
We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
Have a look at that and tell me secession wasn't about preserving the institution of human bondage. You can't honestly do it.
Yes I do. Did ALL the other states say the same thing?
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But what about the other states in the Confederacy? Surely there is some evidence among their Declarations to suggest that secession wasn't merely for the paltry and shameful reason of holding human beings as property? Surely there is something more noble than "We ain't a'gonna' let you free our colored folks and have them puttin' on airs and gettin' uppity!"
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csapage.htm
A few others are there. You will not find much there that is edifying or likely to induce me to shed a tear while strumming "Dixie" on a banjo.
Again with the single source. And I note that you are useing the old "mean old Southern TRASH" argument that I've heard all my life. Stick to facts, nbot mockery.
And don't bother shedding any tears for us, we just want you to STOP HATING US.
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And for what it is worth, towards the end of that war the Confederate government in Richmond passed a law that would grant freedom to any slaves who enlisted to fight in the Confederate army. Not only was it too little too late, it was also a belated acknowledgement that a centralized government indeed DID have the right to free slaves from their masters.
For what i8t's worth, the Lousiana Tiger was a malitia unit made up of FREE BLACKS (Never knew we had any, did you?) organised in 1962. Hundreds of freemen and slaves served in the Confederate army and navy. Many slaves who served were freed BEFORE that law you mentioned was even thought up. Nathan Bedford Forrest freed 300 slaves durring the war for their service.
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Kind of making the whole point of secession meaningless to begin with...
0NLY if the point of seccesion was to preserve slavery. It was, in fact, to get away from the New England TRAITORS who did things like start the REVOLUTION called "Bleeding Kansas" and refused to stick to their Constitutional obligations. The South had STRUGGLED to hold the union together by comprimise and giving in to the North. By 1960, enough was enough.
Read Webster's Capon Springs speach where he accuses New England of violating the Constitution. He said that since the North had refused to uphold it's part of the Constitution, the South was under NO OBLIGATION to uphold it's part and therefore, THE UNION WAS DISOLVED. "A bargan broken on one side is broken on all sides".
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1791 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2007 : 7:41:02 PM
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
My love of this country is so unconditional (warts and all) that I cannot fathom why some lament that this country wasn't split in two with one half lapsing into a backwards, degenerate agrarian apartheid state that would make Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe look like Monaco.
THAT is why we must defend our heritage. You people will NEVER let up on us!
In the years before 1860 and average of 70% of the federal taxes were paid by the States that would make up the Confederacy. The North was gettiing 85% of the federal expendatures and HAND OUTS. New england feared that with the Missisipi open to free trade, their factories would go west. They feared that the protective tariff would kill imports into their ports (50% in the US vs 10% in the CS). New England would have been bankrupt in ten years. Without a prosperous South, America was a POOR nation for about twenty years and considered a third-rate empire with a fourth-rate army and a ninth-rate navy (Behind Peru!).
I'm done here
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