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Culfy
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/30/2007 : 05:06:23 AM
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Originally posted by Citizen Carrier
Indeed.
While one could make the argument that the physical attempts to cover up places like Sobibor and Treblinka stemmed from a desire to "not get caught", you could hardly argue that they used euphemisms among themselves because they were afraid other people in their offices would overhear them talking about gassing Jews.
Everybody in those offices knew what they were in the business of doing. They were avoiding language that forced them to confront, daily, exactly what they were doing.
Which does lead to the question of why exactly the Nazis did what they did? What has always struck me in studying the holocaust is not only that was an evil act but also totally irrational; the bureacratic efforts needed to perform the holocaust ultimately diverted resources away from the war machine.
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jackspencerjr
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 06:32:16 AM
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Originally posted by Capt. Nemo
I'm fuzzy on Sheild's case, but I'm sure some people NEED anti-depressants to lead healthy lives. By shoving some delusion on to people who really need these treatments, you are robbing them of their their ability to lead normal lives. And maybe put other people's lives in jepordy. How do you reconcile THAT, Will?
Well, that's a tough call. Personally, I don't trust anti-depressants any farther than I could throw the factory where they are made. Any medication where one of the side effects is the ailment its supposed to treat should probably not be taken. |
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 08:00:39 AM
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Which does lead to the question of why exactly the Nazis did what they did? What has always struck me in studying the holocaust is not only that was an evil act but also totally irrational; the bureacratic efforts needed to perform the holocaust ultimately diverted resources away from the war machine.
Not only that but when they invaded the USSR many of the natives viewed them as liberators. That didn't last long. When you think that all the Germans had to do was treat the conquered populations better than Stalin did, not a terribly difficult goal, they could have won the population, at least temporarily, but they just couldn't wait to put there racial theories into practice and turned the populations against them. A more Machiavellian leadership would at least have waited until they won to put all their imperial fantasies into operation but the Nazi's were true "idealists" and had to start before the war was done, war effort be damned.
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Capt. Nemo
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 10:47:56 AM
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Originally posted by Culfy
Which does lead to the question of why exactly the Nazis did what they did? What has always struck me in studying the holocaust is not only that was an evil act but also totally irrational; the bureacratic efforts needed to perform the holocaust ultimately diverted resources away from the war machine.
Because that is what bureaucracies do.
They take away resources that would have been better spent somewhere else. The degree to which they can do this is determined by the higher ups.
In this case, Hitler and his henchmen thought the Final Solution was important and gave the people that carried it out (the S.S., the Einsatzgrupen, German Army, etc…) free reign to take whatever they needed to get the job done.
Then the question becomes “How badly did Hitler want this done?” Well, when the Russians started to close in on Berlin and [url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155820,00.html"]Hitler became increasingly aware that the war was lost[/url]. So he wrote a final declaration to the world. It said:
“Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, international Jewry.”
[url="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/My_Political_Testament"]Hitler’s “My Political Testament”[/url]
That says it all. Doesn’t it?
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ereed
Archdeacon of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2008 : 11:13:38 PM
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Nobody sees a monster in the mirror. (To quote someone who I can't identify.) I think the point that nearly everybody thinks they're The Good Guys, regardless of what they're doing, is something that really needs to be said.
When some guy in the middle east decapitates a hostage on video, he thinks he's doing what has to be done, and he thinks he's right. When some CIA agent tortures prisoners, he thinks he's doing what has to be done. When Hitler exterminates millions of Jews, he thinks he's The Good Guy. In all cases, any moral doubt concerning murder and torture are washed away because "I'm the Good Guy!"
Behavior must be evaluated objectively, nobody gets a free pass. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2008 : 10:18:20 AM
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Back to the original point of this thread, pundit Dennis Prager defends Will Smith and contends Smith's original statement was misquoted and taken completely out of context:
[url]http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=498A395B-80D1-4208-9DBC-E2B7C96E5878[/url] |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2008 : 11:02:36 AM
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Originally posted by ereed
Nobody sees a monster in the mirror. (To quote someone who I can't identify.) I think the point that nearly everybody thinks they're The Good Guys, regardless of what they're doing, is something that really needs to be said.
When some guy in the middle east decapitates a hostage on video, he thinks he's doing what has to be done, and he thinks he's right. When some CIA agent tortures prisoners, he thinks he's doing what has to be done. When Hitler exterminates millions of Jews, he thinks he's The Good Guy. In all cases, any moral doubt concerning murder and torture are washed away because "I'm the Good Guy!"
Behavior must be evaluated objectively, nobody gets a free pass.
And then the big one...who determins what is truly objective?
That dog has been chaseing its tail a long time...
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 8:44:12 PM
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[i]Well, that's a tough call. Personally, I don't trust anti-depressants any farther than I could throw the factory where they are made. Any medication where one of the side effects is the ailment its supposed to treat should probably not be taken.
That would ironically ban many medications from cancer drugs to aspirin. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 02:37:08 AM
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 02:38:03 AM
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| It would also ban Mary Hart, given that her voice has been scientifically proven to trigger epileptic seizures. |
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