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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 02/20/2008 : 8:53:13 PM
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The only rah-rah war movies I can think of offhand are the Rambo-type pictures, which, of course, aren't really war movies in the strictest sense.
Historically, most Hollywood movies have taken a pretty grim view of war. Modern war films have only deviated insofar as they now offer us blood and guts and four letter words. The Longest Day was just as horrific in its own way as Saving Private Ryan.
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 02/20/2008 : 9:02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Maxtype
Even The Green Berets which seems to be reviled(I love it,though) isn't so much "The War is a great thing",but more:"If we don't fight this here and now,we might be sorry later".
Yeah, I can't think of any movie that is honestly pro war. I CAN think of movies that are pro human spirit, in that when times of armed conflict occur some men (and women and dwarves and hobbits) can find an inner strength and nobility and rise to the occasion. This is the basic theme of LOTR, after all. I didn't think anyone would call that a pro war film. But for the good peoples of Middle-earth engaging in the War of The Ring does produce good things. None of them actually WANT war though. Not even those nutty Viking-wannba Rohirrim.
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Bobby-G
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
904 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2008 : 01:35:51 AM
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Well, there are a whole lot of war movies like WHERE EAGLES DARE, KELLY'S HEREOS, THE DIRTY DOZEN, THE GUNS OF NAVARONE and comedies like WHAT DID YOU DO IN THE WAR, DADDY? MCHALE'S NAVY (the series & movies)and others which used war as a backdrop for adventure and excitement; Their goal wasn't to make war look bad or good, it was to entertain -- that's not necessarily "pro war", but to a kid watching these, it didn't really make it look like an adventure more than a horror. Back when these films were made (and I'd guess the target audience were people who actually lived through WW II), I don't think it was even an issue.
Anyway, I hope the IRON MAN movie is fun -- Back when I was still reading the comics (till about 1975), Iron Man was one of my favorites -- I'd always thought that a movie would be cool, but figured the only way they could pull it off was with some kind of animation to keep the "look" right (certainly not a "guy in a suit"), now movie technology has advanced enough that they can do it right -- yay (hopefully)!
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 02/21/2008 : 02:58:38 AM
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But even films like Kelly's heroes or The dirty dozen have anti-war messages, if buried under the "fun". In Kelly's heroes one of the reasons Kelly's bunch decides to hit the bank is that they feel they're risking their lives for nothing and that getting the gold will be a good change. And in The dirty dozen it's no casual that all those criminals make such good soldiers. That and the fact that their "mission" culminates in a slaughter of civilians is telling of the ideology of the filmmakers.
@Flangepart: Basically we don't deal with our Civil War in fiction, at least not in a direct way. There are many films set directly after or before the war, but only a bunch of them deal with the war itself, such as Berlanga's farce La vaquilla or Libertarias, and often they do it under very personal views.
There are also some B/W war films made during Franco's regime, such as Balarrasa or Sin novedad en el alcazar, which are told from the rebel side.
If you ask me, the best film I've seen about our civil war is Land and freedom, by Ken Loach. Fred Zinneman's Behold a pale horse is another great one, but it deals with the maquis long after the war ended. |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2008 : 11:57:15 AM
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When I said "propaganda films", I meant just that--films made as propaganda, like Victory Through Air Power or Triumph of the Will. I didn't even mean "propaganda" as a negative thing in this context, just a descriptive one. And I wasn't restricting it to American films, either.
However, my whole point is that these aren't your typical movie, so I think we're all on the same page here. The spectrum of views presented by the average war movie isn't really that broad, it mostly comes down to either criticising or glorifying a specific war, or an aspect of a specific war.
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