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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 03/05/2008 : 07:30:50 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Prankster
Hey, I don't think being critical of war profiteers or the military-industrial complex is Anti-American either. Eisenhower did it, and I think it's safe to say he wasn't a Commie.
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Good point.
Its a matter of ethics.
I'm familure with THE DESTROYER series of action/adventure novels, Zombie wacker. Remo is taught to kill by Chiun, the worlds best assassin. but Mr. Smith does have a firm focus on where his hitmen are needed.
Its always a major plot point...what happens when power, what ever form it takes is abused, and who will set things to right.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2008 : 9:05:46 PM
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I'm on the fence here. Frankly, I doubt that Hollywood has the daring to make a good film about a millionaire industrialist; they are far more likely to fall on the shallow, tedious cliches they have been feeding on for the last 30+ years (and, comically, imagining that their lazy writing is "challenging" and "relevant.")
It might be good, but I'm not going to bet an afternoon and the price of a ticket to find out. Hopefully, I'm wrong, but I'm going to wait for word of mouth.
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We've always been united in stupidity. That's why there is no hope. But, then again, when has that ever stopped us?
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BT
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 09:34:05 AM
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Isn't Bruce Wayne a millionaire industrialist, and haven't they made at least 3 good movies about him?
My knowledge of Iron Man is (sadly) limited to the terribly animated cartoons on channel 32 when I was growing up, but I think the movie looks great. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 1:01:27 PM
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"Isn't Bruce Wayne a millionaire industrialist, and haven't they made at least 3 good movies about him?"
No, so far they've made only one. /snark off
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/29/2008 : 12:42:56 PM
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One could also ask "isn't Bruce Wayne a PSYCHO?"
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ginbot
Archdeacon of Jabootu
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Posted - 04/08/2008 : 2:22:50 PM
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What I've wondered about this movie, is that Starks is a recovering alcoholic in the comics ... It would seem that Robert Downey Jr might be able to pull some experiences for that one. But, is Starks portrayed that way in the movie?
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nshumate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 07:37:26 AM
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Promo pieces I've read say that they aren't trying to fit the alcoholism into this movie, but they're planning on it for the sequel, and that was one of the character bits that drew Downey to the part.
Nathan Shumate
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2008 : 1:45:52 PM
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From Cinemascope's review:
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Politically it tries to be liberal minded at first - putting the blame for wars on profiteering by arms manufacturers - but in fact this is a conservative old-fashioned picture, about a nation looking for a dude to fight its wars for it, abroad and at home, and do it with as little accountability as possible. Its a childish movie for grown ups, that allows the viewer to root for the fetishistic gadget-laden chauvinistic power-happy capitalist playboy, while liberal minded viewers may feel safe here, because there are no flag waving and anthem chanting, just a guy, in a super-cool suit, playing with his toys, that keeps reminding the viewers this is only a movie. And a barrel of fun as such.
Full review here - [url]http://cinemascopian.com/review-iron-man/[/url]
Now Playing in Foyeurism at Foywonder.com: NEVER BACK DOWN - Much like the martial arts, the film's messages are also mixed
Plus: B-WARE THE BLOG is alive at http://www.livejournal.com/users/foywonder |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 04/27/2008 : 1:58:06 PM
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Originally posted by Greenhornet
One could also ask "isn't Bruce Wayne a PSYCHO?"
He certainly is. Apart from fighting crime with extreme prejudice (gotta love his look at Napier before he sinks into the acid in the 1989 version. Is he about to help him or just enjoying the view of a criminal falling into an acid tank?), he certainly suffers from post-thraumatic stress syndrome, as he keeps having flashbacks of his parents' death. At least once per movie, if I remember correctly.
As for Ironman, I'll be happy if it turns out as a de-politised, fun oriented flick. I'm starting to get tired of the whole controversy on the War on Terror thing, and watching the trailer I was fearing for thwworst, which in my case it's not a movie with a liberal agenda, but just the other way around. |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 07:36:27 AM
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As for Ironman, I'll be happy if it turns out as a de-politised, fun oriented flick. I'm starting to get tired of the whole controversy on the War on Terror thing, and watching the trailer I was fearing for thwworst, which in my case it's not a movie with a liberal agenda, but just the other way around.
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Well, looks like ya got yer wish, Nev.
According to the reviews so far. But if Stark wants out of the arms trade...how does he explain the need for power armor?
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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TimLehnerer
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 08:26:02 AM
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He wants to use the technological advances that Stark International developed while working on weapons to make medical equipment, clean fusion reactors, and things of that nature. This isn't as profitable as building the better artillery rocket, so Stark stocks take a beating; however, three months of captivity in Afghanistan with the constant threat of being murdered by warlords who are using weapons with your name on them has a way of changing one's perspective.
If they hadn't cast someone as charismatic and likeable as Robert Downey, Jr., the movie would not have worked at all. I can't imagine how disastrous this would have been with a younger actor as Tony Stark. |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 09:22:13 AM
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| You know, I may even watch this thing after all. Not for the ideology, but for the good reviews. I wasn't exactly expecting them. |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 11:25:18 AM
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Originally posted by TimLehnerer
He wants to use the technological advances that Stark International developed while working on weapons to make medical equipment, clean fusion reactors, and things of that nature. This isn't as profitable as building the better artillery rocket, so Stark stocks take a beating; however, three months of captivity in Afghanistan with the constant threat of being murdered by warlords who are using weapons with your name on them has a way of changing one's perspective.
If they hadn't cast someone as charismatic and likeable as Robert Downey, Jr., the movie would not have worked at all. I can't imagine how disastrous this would have been with a younger actor as Tony Stark.
Hummm... I can see another way to have taken it. Stark stays in the wepons biz, but demands stricter controls and oversight. And builds better body armor for US troops.
Also, that warlord might make Stark angry enough to go finish the job once 'Armor MK2' is ready...he ends up haveing to do it anyway!
Downey does look perfect for the part, and in the trailer, he felt right. Looking forward to it.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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nshumate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 05/05/2008 : 06:16:54 AM
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Hummm... I can see another way to have taken it. Stark stays in the wepons biz, but demands stricter controls and oversight. And builds better body armor for US troops.
See, I interpreted the movie a little differently. (Saw it on Saturday.) He does, at the press conference, immediately call off all weapons manufacture, but he does say something like, "until I can decide where this company is going" or somesuch -- the overall impression being that he's putting the weapons on hiatus until he's worked through the problem. The problem isn't in this case that "war is icky, and I'm not giving our side any weapons in the hopes that our enemies will start singing Kum Ba Yah," but that the weapons he designs are part of a flawed system in which those armaments end up in the hands of the enemy and, instead of ending the conflict, escalate it.
And I think that his subsequent attack on the terror cell in Afghanistan is a strong implicit admission that sometimes the good guys NEED the weapons to overpower the bad guys.
I thought that the politics in the movie performed a really good balancing act.
Nathan Shumate
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2008 : 07:05:19 AM
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Huh. Well I can live with that. It IS a balancing act, and faceing it makes sence.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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