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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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 Posted - 09/18/2008 : 5:40:51 PM
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Sunshine certainly qualifies as an Event Horizon ripoff, only it was not a huge improvement.
(For the record, I think EH was really a rip-off of the original Solaris.)
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2008 : 7:25:27 PM
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Gotta go with NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER - the looniest KARATE KID rip-off ever. Ghost of Bruce Lee (played by a Korean who looks nothing like Bruce Lee) trains a kid to defeat Jean-Claude Van Damme who works for the East Coast mafia that's now in the business of taking over the karate dojo business. Totally nuts and fun as hell.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2008 : 10:27:19 PM
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Here's one out of left field. Go watch Jaws, then watch the Star Trek episode "The Doomsday Machine." Let's see, we have:
- a giant, apparently indestructible eating machine that destroys everything in its path
- a battered, beat-up ship fighting this monster
- the heroes firing shot after shot into this thing, with no apparent effect
- a veteran captain whose obsession with fighting this monster endangers others
- said veteran captain is et by the monster
- the hero uses the technology at his command in a creative way, and...
- the hero destroys the monster by sending a high explosive right into its mouth and blowing it up
- finally, the score has a distinctive Ba-Dum Ba-Dum Ba-Dum repetition, the notes a half-step apart
So, which one was I describing? |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2008 : 11:05:27 PM
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Originally posted by zombiewhacker
(For the record, I think EH was really a rip-off of the original Solaris.)
Now that's an interesting theory... there are parallels...
Hey, how about the (truly awful) Sphere as a ripoff of Forbidden Planet??
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2008 : 06:56:45 AM
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"So, which one was I describing??
Moby Dick?
"You talk to us about heavy artillery. Thank God, we don't have any. It's the lightness of its guns that make the French army what it is." - representative of the French General Staff to the budget commission of the Chamber of Deputies, 1909 |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2008 : 08:21:19 AM
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Originally posted by TheFoywonder
Gotta go with NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER - the looniest KARATE KID rip-off ever. Ghost of Bruce Lee (played by a Korean who looks nothing like Bruce Lee) trains a kid to defeat Jean-Claude Van Damme who works for the East Coast mafia that's now in the business of taking over the karate dojo business. Totally nuts and fun as hell.
Now this is funny, I saw the movie back in the days when both VHS technology and JCVD were cool, and I remember the guy being some kind of Inmortal Soviet Mega-Champion (TM) a là Rocky IV. The subtext of course being that the U.S.S.R. was so decided to destroy the American ego that was sending arrogant kickboxers to every smalltown dojo in America.
Could it be that the foreign distributors altered some of it to make it closer to Rocky IV? If they did, it certainly added a lot to the lunacy of the film. I mean, not only that dorky teenager got his groove back and beat up those school bullies, but he also defeated Communism and kept the western world free of kickboxers with oiled hair for at least another season.
As for Sunshine, it may not be good, but boy, I did have lots of fun with that one. Looks like they tried to make a compendium of all science fiction movies from 2001 to Event horizon in less than two hours. |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
2329 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2008 : 4:47:04 PM
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Originally posted by BradH812
Here's one out of left field. Go watch Jaws, then watch the Star Trek episode "The Doomsday Machine." Let's see, we have:
- a giant, apparently indestructible eating machine that destroys everything in its path
- a battered, beat-up ship fighting this monster
- the heroes firing shot after shot into this thing, with no apparent effect
- a veteran captain whose obsession with fighting this monster endangers others
- said veteran captain is et by the monster
- the hero uses the technology at his command in a creative way, and...
- the hero destroys the monster by sending a high explosive right into its mouth and blowing it up
- finally, the score has a distinctive Ba-Dum Ba-Dum Ba-Dum repetition, the notes a half-step apart
So, which one was I describing?
Terrifinglly plausable...And perfectly logical, Captain.
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2008 : 6:12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ericb
"So, which one was I describing??
Moby Dick?
"You talk to us about heavy artillery. Thank God, we don't have any. It's the lightness of its guns that make the French army what it is." - representative of the French General Staff to the budget commission of the Chamber of Deputies, 1909
Well, the last couple of points don't apply to ol' Albino Shamu, but you're absolutely right. And I forgot to mention it. D'oh! |
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2008 : 6:28:39 PM
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Originally posted by Neville
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Originally posted by TheFoywonder
Gotta go with NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER - the looniest KARATE KID rip-off ever. Ghost of Bruce Lee (played by a Korean who looks nothing like Bruce Lee) trains a kid to defeat Jean-Claude Van Damme who works for the East Coast mafia that's now in the business of taking over the karate dojo business. Totally nuts and fun as hell.
Now this is funny, I saw the movie back in the days when both VHS technology and JCVD were cool, and I remember the guy being some kind of Inmortal Soviet Mega-Champion (TM) a là Rocky IV. The subtext of course being that the U.S.S.R. was so decided to destroy the American ego that was sending arrogant kickboxers to every smalltown dojo in America.
Could it be that the foreign distributors altered some of it to make it closer to Rocky IV? If they did, it certainly added a lot to the lunacy of the film. I mean, not only that dorky teenager got his groove back and beat up those school bullies, but he also defeated Communism and kept the western world free of kickboxers with oiled hair for at least another season.
I think your memory is a little fuzzy. I have both the US version and an international print of NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER (I think the title is KARATE TIGER over in Spain) and though it definitely rturns into a USA vs Russia flag-waving kung fu hootenanny during the final showdown, the plot was the East Coast mafia using this unstoppable Russian kickboxer to destroy and demoralize karate dojo owners that refuse to sellout. The US version offers no explanation as to why the mob is suddenly in the karate dojo racket. The international version offers a line about the mafia using karate dojos as a front for their criminal enterprise - as if that makes any sense. But you are partially right about how it becomes a ROCKY IV showdown in the end. Never seen a movie before where an American tries to taunt a Russian by calling him "Russian" and the Russian actually gets insulted by being called Russian. Perhaps now would be a good time to mention the movie was made by people from Hong Kong.
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2008 : 02:18:08 AM
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Yeah, it could be that I can't remember it correctly, as I said, there's been many years between me watching the movie and my remarks.
BTW, Raging Thunder - No retreat no surrender II is a much better movie, although is sort of a First Blood II ripoff rather than a Karate kid one. Cynthia Rothrock's voice is annoying, and JCVD is nowhere to be seen, but the whole thing is so crazy -something involving brainwashing Soviet terrorists acting in Cambodia or Vietnam- that it's easily one of the funniest B-movies I've ever seen. |
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Bobby-G
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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904 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2008 : 11:22:26 PM
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Ah, yes, IT! THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE and ALIEN; the similarities are quite obvious, but there are also some stunningly similar elements ALIEN and Bava's DEMON PLANET too(it goes by about a dozen different titles, including PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, but first saw it as DEMON PLANET, so that's what I'll call it).
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2008 : 07:28:10 AM
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GB Shaw I think it was who said that hacks borrow but artists rob outright. Alien does indeed take a lot from Planet of the Vampires and just about every other haunted house movie ever made.
Star Wars overtly takes a lot from The Hidden Fortress, along with every saturday moring movie serial ever made. Raging Bull follows the script from Somebody Up there Likes Me and Body and Soul and back and back.
Boxing movie and back stage movie cliches are deftly parodied in the movie, Movie Movie. |
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2008 : 07:29:41 AM
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| I noticed that I have been promoted to holy cardinal and 5 star general. I am deeply honored and will serve my new position with care and honor. |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2008 : 6:54:54 PM
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Originally posted by RossM
GB Shaw I think it was who said that hacks borrow but artists rob outright.
I always heard it attributed to Igor Stravinsky...
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2008 : 7:42:57 PM
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I read that it was Picasso that said it: "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal." I decided to check the web, and found an interesting (and arrrrrrtsy and cool) quote from T. S. Eliot:
"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they
take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something
different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is
unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet
throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually
borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in
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