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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 01/08/2008 : 11:25:23 AM
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Uh oh!
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Whatever, Lucas is convinced he won’t please everyone. “I know the critics are going to hate it,” he says. “They already hate it. So there’s nothing we can do about that. They hate the idea that we’re making another one. They’ve already made up their minds.”
At least the legions of Indy geeks will be pleased, right?
“The fans are all upset,” Lucas says. “They’re always going to be upset. ‘Why did he do it like this? And why didn’t he do it like this?’ They write their own movie, and then, if you don’t do their movie, they get upset about it. So you just have to stand by for the bricks and the custard pies, because they’re going to come flying your way.”
So the critics will hate it and all the fans will be upset! This is known in the jargon as "managing expectations". |
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 11:52:34 AM
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Well, he's right isn't he. We all fear that Ford is too old, a story set nearly in the 60's is going to look and feel wrong, etc. The only things they can do to prevent a fiasco is either make an undeniably great movie (in which case, Lucas wouldn't be saying things like that) or don't make one at all (too late). We'll see...
"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 12:35:50 PM
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I'm being an old curmudgeon here but I wonder if anyone else feels similarly.
I absolutely went nuts over the first one. I was in high school at the time and I must have seen it 20 times in the theaters. (And we used to have big huge auditoriums in those days too that sat hundreds. Kids - ask your parents.) At the same time, though, I don’t think that either of the sequels has really stood up very well. The Temple of Doom in particular is simultaneously silly and juvenile while also being nasty and gruesome. Watching young children stab and burn each other is particularly uncalled for. The Last Crusade is just totally uninspired. If you think about it, every single set piece in the movie is just a rehash of something from Raiders. A lot of it doesn’t even make sense. In Vienna a bunch of guys with fezzes try to kill him and after a bunch of chases and explosions they just shake hands and walk away. What was the point of that other than to pad the run time? (And bonus demerits to The Last Crusade for starting with one of the least convincing “ship at sea” sets since Ed Wood taped together some cardboard in his garage.) |
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 1:14:58 PM
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I wonder if Indy will still carry a gun?
"I reserve the right to look as well as be boring." - Robert Fripp |
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hbrennan
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Philippines
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 1:38:03 PM
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I was out of the Army for 2 years when "Raiders of the Lost Ark" came out (saw it in a huge theater, as well. Kids, don't ask your parents - you'll just feel cheated). So, I guess that makes me an even older curmudgeon then R. Dittmar - but I completely agree with the assessment. Each successive entry has merely been a rehash of the first and seeking to capitalize on that excellent outing. But, then again, I still hold out hope that this new entry will, at least, be entertaining. Plus, Harrison Ford is fun to watch. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
"...yet it hadn't destroyed his brain."
re: Charles "The Butcher" Benton (1956)
http://www.henrybrennan.com/
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 5:33:12 PM
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I'm always the odd one out. I love the first one but I'm burned out on it. I just can't get into re-watching it now. And the third one, while OK, always felt like a boring derivative of the first. Only the presence of Sean Connery made it interesting. Well, and the final trap sequence was cool. ("He chose... poorly." Classic!)
But Temple Of Doom I can watch over and over and it never gets old. It's just SO out there. I love it. I love the bugs. I love Short Round. heck, I even like the musical number. The only weak point for me is the Scooby Doo roller coaster mine sequence.
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Cannon Fodder
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Australia
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 01:27:59 AM
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In my mind Raiders is clearly the best, no doubts, no questions and no justifications needed. Simply great. Last Crusade I really like, despite its increasingly obvious flaws- it was one of the first movies I remember seeing at the cinema when I was younger and I think my liking of it has a lot to with having enjoyed it so much at the time. Temple of Doom is the weakest for most of the reasons mentioned. I still like it but it is mostly ruined by the incredibly annoying heroine- her shrieking and screaming got old real fast. The whole end sequence almost made up for it.
I can't say I have great hopes for the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (Ugh- sounds more like a Hardy Boys adventure than an Indiana Jones title), with the aging Ford, the time gap since the last movie, the recent oeuvre of Spielberg and Lucas and most of what has been hinted about the plot. I'm almost tempted to boycott it due to Lucas' risible and rather contemptuous attitude to the fans but at the end of the day I know I'll go and see the bloody thing despite my misgivings.
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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 07:04:10 AM
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I’m repeating myself a bit from an earlier thread but my biggest doubts about the movie come from that fact that - given Hollywood’s long-standing infatuation with Communism - I don’t believe that they will make the Soviets the villains of the piece. After all, they were just a bunch of lovable bumblers who - while occasionally breaking an extra egg here and there - were just trying to make a big old warm fluffy omelet. And given the 1957 timeframe, we aren’t even talking about slightly more dubious Stalin-era Commies. Were talking about the time the heroic Fidel Castro and Ho Chi Minh got their starts fighting to bring free-health care and 100% literacy to the oppressed peoples of the world.
I’m going to go out on a limb and bet you right here and now that the real villains in the movie will turn out to be evil U.S. Government spooks running a cover-up at Area 51. And I get bonus points if Lucas manages to blame the U.S. for all the problems in the Middle East or otherwise introduce some painfully obvious digs at the Bush administration over the war in Iraq. Heck, I get extra special bonus points if Fidel Castro or Che Guevara show up in the movie! It's not impossible given a seemingly South American setting. |
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 3:09:33 PM
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Rats...that sound so likely, Dittmar.
Hollywood just can't see beyond its ideological nose.
No wonder they keep are so bloody predictable..
Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"
"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 01/11/2008 : 2:53:40 PM
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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 01/11/2008 : 3:49:14 PM
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"Young Indiana Jones" killed it.
"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935 |
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