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R. Dittmar
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 02/27/2008 : 09:24:46 AM
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It's starting to look a little bit grim, Ken. (Warning: Some spoilers in the link below, although they seem very minor.)
http://www.cc2k.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=985&Itemid=2
Here are a couple of nut grafs the prove this movie will have everything we want in an Iron Man movie:
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The script opens on a weapons facility hidden somewhere in North Korea, and we soon discover that it is Tony Stark's weapons that are being manufactured there - but without his knowing. What unravels is a tale of global and corporate espionage, tying into the current War on Terror and some social commentary on WMD's.
And thank God they're not skimping on the Amerikka = Nazi Germany comparisons:
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It's easy to see why the studio is going in a different direction with the real film. This version makes America the bad guys, run by a corporate Hitler with people planted throughout the government, as high as the Vice President.
All in all, it seems like the movie event of the season! |
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Ken HPoJ
Supreme Potentate
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 09:44:39 AM
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I saw that. I really hope this doesn't prove to be what the movie's about. Cripes.
PEGGY: I don't see how having a girl on the team would ruin it. Did a woman judge ruin the Supreme Court?
HANK: Yes, and that woman's name was Earl Warren.
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 10:24:37 AM
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| If they do that, then they never had a clue what fans of old Shellhead were about... |
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Ken HPoJ
Supreme Potentate
USA
1530 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2008 : 11:12:20 AM
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I think what's most tiresome abou this is, well, how tiresome this is. Haven't nearly every single action movie for how long now has had some sort 'sinister government' angle to it. That's an exaggeration, obviously, but not much of one. Do these guys even realize they keep hitting the same tropes over and over and over again? They sure don't seem to be.
PEGGY: I don't see how having a girl on the team would ruin it. Did a woman judge ruin the Supreme Court?
HANK: Yes, and that woman's name was Earl Warren.
--King of the Hill |
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2008 : 11:19:38 AM
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Doesn't Iron Man have a roster of super villians they could have chosen from?
"I reserve the right to look as well as be boring." - Robert Fripp |
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CDiehl
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 12:10:06 PM
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Doesn't Iron Man have a roster of super villians they could have chosen from?
Yes, but why should they fart around with such silliness when they can make some sort of statement about politics? Just because it's the same statement a bunch of other movies people didn't care to watch made, doesn't mean they won't turn what could be a fun and entertaining movie into a dull, stupid message movie about what few of them really gave any thought to anyhow.
You know Grand Funk, don't you? The wild, shirtless lyrics of Mark Farner? The bong-rattling bass of Mel Schacher? The ... adequate drumwork of Don Brewer? |
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TimLehnerer
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 12:54:04 PM
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Originally posted by Ericb
Doesn't Iron Man have a roster of super villians they could have chosen from?
"I reserve the right to look as well as be boring." - Robert Fripp
As far as I know, Obadiah Stane (the Jeff Bridges character) builds a suit of Iron-Man-inspired power armor and starts breaking stuff with it; my guess is the last fifteen or twenty minutes of the film is the red-and-gold suit (smaller and more maneuverable, with the repulsors in the palms and the uni-beam on the chest) versus the Iron Monger armor (larger, more durable, slower, and with machine guns).
This is all based off of watching the trailer a bunch of times; I don't have any particular knowledge of the movie past that and could very well be wrong.
At least they didn't use the Mandarin, which was apparently one of the early drafts' villain of choice. I don't know that a Heathen Chinee out to destroy the West is any more or less problematic than Yet Another Evil Capitalist, but it's debatable whether or not that storytelling trope is what we need right now. |
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2008 : 2:50:35 PM
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Ever think some of you should actually try waiting for the movie to come out before you're ready to do the usual "Damn those Hollywood liberals!" pile on this message board has become so famous for?
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Pip
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
333 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2008 : 3:35:27 PM
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Because then we wouldn't be very famous, would we?
Pip
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
1126 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2008 : 3:47:34 PM
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People are speculating based on the available evidence and using plenty of "If this is the case" and "Assuming this turns out to be true" type modifiers. Nothing wrong with that.
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 4:47:23 PM
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Yes, it's reasonable to worry that the movie could get tiresome with the government conspiracy angle, regardless of your political standing. But let's not forget that Iron Man is, as conceived in the comics, a weapons manufacturer for the government (and one whose origins are linked to the Vietnam war, at that). Even if we ignore stuff from the comics like HYDRA and AIM and so on, it's hard to separate the character from at least some vague concept of global politics. And once you do that, you're forced to acknowledge that the military-industrial complex is, at best, a morally complicated area.
The movie obviously includes Stark getting held captive by an Afghani warlord, so I have a hard time swallowing the idea that this is a "US bad! Terrorists misunderstood! Blah!" movie. But then, I don't think there actually are a lot of movies like that anyway...
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
833 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2008 : 4:57:26 PM
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People are speculating based on the available evidence and using plenty of "If this is the case" and "Assuming this turns out to be true" type modifiers. Nothing wrong with that.
If people here are going to complain about a movie script because it has American corporate/gov't villains then where are all the threads complaing about the very same themes being used in practically every season of 24?
By the way, just read on another movie that people who have seen the unfinished film are saying it knocks it out of the park.
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TimLehnerer
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu
USA
95 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2008 : 7:16:33 PM
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And in the interest of fairness, "they stole my technology" is a recurring Iron Man plot point--the idea of pirated or bootleg Stark munitions being made somewhere in North Korea is a slightly more real-world way of handling stuff like the Armor Wars (because the Beetle might look okayish on screen but there's just no way Stilt-Man will ever look good).
I think the most successful superhero movies are the ones that try to ground the action in some kind of recognizable real world; take a look at BATMAN BEGINS versus BATMAN AND ROBIN for two different philosophies of making superhero flicks. For that matter, Spider-Man worries about making rent and can't be there for everyone every time. If the audience sees the hero as a superHUMAN instead of a SUPERhuman they're probably more likely to be sympathetic towards 'em and root for the good guy. |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 9:57:36 PM
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It's possible to execute this kind of storyline and not make it anti-American.
A good example of this was Remo Williams. I don't whether there are any Remo fans here, but that movie was notable in that the two main bad guys were a) an American weapons industrialist and b) a US army general, yet the movie never took an anti-American tone because it was clear these were two guys who had both gone off Uncle Sam's reservation. Remo himself was working for the US government to set things back in order. ("The 11th Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Get Away With It.")
If the Iron Man movie follows a story arc somewhere along these lines it should be fine.
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Enda80
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 5:05:10 PM
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| Interestingly enough, the Mandarin serves as a counterpart to Shiwan Khan, the Shadow's foe, as both claim descent from Ghenghis Khan (as also do the Earth-616 Yellow Claw and Doctor Fu Manchu). |
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 3:39:15 PM
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Hey, I don't think being critical of war profiteers or the military-industrial complex is Anti-American either. Eisenhower did it, and I think it's safe to say he wasn't a Commie.
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