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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
644 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  06:36:25 AM  Show Profile
Ripped right from the frontpages:

Delta Does Detroit 8pm 2005-11-16 ALL NEW! JT and his team face terrorism on our own soil.

JT (Benjamin Bratt) and a Special Ops team are dispatched to Detroit where a radical Christian group takes over a mosque and keeps its members hostage. JT must balance how much he is able to assist in saving lives with the law which requires that the FBI deal with the situation on their own. Also starring Dennis Hopper, Aunjanue Ellis, Kelly Rutherford.


Need I say more?

The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist.

Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  09:47:33 AM  Show Profile
One of those cop shows should do a thing with Trekkie Terrorist.
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CobraCmdr
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu

70 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  10:21:56 AM  Show Profile
Of course the terrorists aren't Muslims. In movies and TV these days terrorists are never Muslims, and in the rare case where they are it's European Muslims like Bosnians or Chechnyans. Nobody has the balls to make a movie with Arab Muslims villains anymore.

The only "safe" villains are rogue Americans, and ponytailed Euro-trash types, and religious fanatics are almost always depicted as Christians.

I'm all for defying stereotypes, and presenting people of all races and backgrounds as compelling, complex individuals (Lost has done an excellent job of this), but hollywood depictions of terrorists have gone so far to prevent cliches that they have become cliches themselves.
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
644 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  10:52:18 AM  Show Profile
You forgot the neo-Nazis. They are always safe to use like in "The Sum of All Fears."

It's just getting very frustrating. If you tried to describe the current situation and sell it as a book idea, they would laugh you out of the room. How can you fix serious issues when serious issues are verboten?

I agree with you on "Lost". Even the flashbacks with Sayid and the gov't using him to get back the weapons from the terrorists was pretty good. It didn't fall into the Leftist lunacy that I was worried about. Also, it looks like Mr. Eko is going to be the religious Christian of the group.

The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist.
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Zev
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu

USA
182 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  4:07:02 PM  Show Profile
This is what happens when you're afraid to portray any minority in a bad light. All you can do is pick on the majority.

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Now they need to make a movie where soldiers in Iraq actually find one of Saddam Hussein's secret underground chemical weapons facilities only to find it overrrun with big mutant sand spiders. And the the film will be called IRAQNID!
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

Canada
1026 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  4:14:07 PM  Show Profile
That was REAL? I hit a second or two of the show while channel-surfing and thought it was some sort of parody.

Seriously, I can sympathize with Hollywood in wanting to have non-controversial terrorists, where you can have a simple, 1 hour action show without getting all bogged down with "but you've slandered the good, law-abiding whatever type people". And, admittedly, if you based a show on the Cape Breton Liberation Army ("Down wid da Causeway, byes!"), you'd probably get a few idiots the day after applying your characterization to Capers in general.

I suggest establishing the "Brand X political movement". Activists of this movement will never specifically mention their political goals on-screen, other than destroying Life As We Know It. They will be played by actors wearing flour sacks over their heads, so their ethnicity is not apparent, and will all use voice synthesizers so gender and age will be indeterminate. They will only do Evil Things, and get their butts kicked by the hero, with no reflection on any real person or movement whatsoever.

Thank you, and don't forget to send me royalty checks when using this idea.
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
1294 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  6:58:33 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by twitterpate

That was REAL? I hit a second or two of the show while channel-surfing and thought it was some sort of parody.

Seriously, I can sympathize with Hollywood in wanting to have non-controversial terrorists, where you can have a simple, 1 hour action show without getting all bogged down with "but you've slandered the good, law-abiding whatever type people". And, admittedly, if you based a show on the Cape Breton Liberation Army ("Down wid da Causeway, byes!"), you'd probably get a few idiots the day after applying your characterization to Capers in general.

I suggest establishing the "Brand X political movement". Activists of this movement will never specifically mention their political goals on-screen, other than destroying Life As We Know It. They will be played by actors wearing flour sacks over their heads, so their ethnicity is not apparent, and will all use voice synthesizers so gender and age will be indeterminate. They will only do Evil Things, and get their butts kicked by the hero, with no reflection on any real person or movement whatsoever.

Thank you, and don't forget to send me royalty checks when using this idea.



Twitterpate, the scary thing is, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see that for real pretty soon.

BTW, Terrahawk, I agree 100% on your view on Sayid and Mr. Eko in Lost. Personally, I think Eko's emerging as one of most heroic characters in the show.
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TVsGrady
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
671 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  7:01:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit TVsGrady's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by twitterpate

I suggest establishing the "Brand X political movement". Activists of this movement will never specifically mention their political goals on-screen, other than destroying Life As We Know It. They will be played by actors wearing flour sacks over their heads, so their ethnicity is not apparent, and will all use voice synthesizers so gender and age will be indeterminate. They will only do Evil Things, and get their butts kicked by the hero, with no reflection on any real person or movement whatsoever.

Thank you, and don't forget to send me royalty checks when using this idea.



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GalahadPC
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USA
380 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  10:51:30 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by twitterpate

I suggest establishing the "Brand X political movement". Activists of this movement will never specifically mention their political goals on-screen, other than destroying Life As We Know It. They will be played by actors wearing flour sacks over their heads, so their ethnicity is not apparent, and will all use voice synthesizers so gender and age will be indeterminate. They will only do Evil Things, and get their butts kicked by the hero, with no reflection on any real person or movement whatsoever.
So basically, the leaders of KAOS from Get Smart coupled with the ambiguous mysteriousness of Dr. Claw from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.

It worked out pretty good with both those programs and I'm sure they didn't step on too many toes. I say go ahead - splice 'em together and patent it.

Edited by - GalahadPC on 11/17/2005 10:52:29 PM
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Ubiq
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
347 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2005 :  01:02:57 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by twitterpate
I suggest establishing the "Brand X political movement". Activists of this movement will never specifically mention their political goals on-screen, other than destroying Life As We Know It.



Would that make their rivals the "Not Brand X political movement"?

Anyway, just use neo-Nazis. The only people that you're going to offend are neo-Nazis, which is really a bonus when you think about it.



BM: I should have mentioned this at the beginning. I solve my problems with violence.
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Mr. Blue
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

Papua New Guinea
648 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2005 :  04:19:39 AM  Show Profile
Why not ACROSS? I like the idea of using ACROSS as the generic evil orginization.

"Because, as we all know, when it comes to saving the world, no-one gets the job done quite like a bunch of sleazy, drunken, irresponsible morons."-Lyz of AYCYAS
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Ubiq
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
347 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2005 :  06:26:59 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Blue

Why not ACROSS? I like the idea of using ACROSS as the generic evil orginization.



Which would made their followers what? Acrostics?




BM: I should have mentioned this at the beginning. I solve my problems with violence.
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CobraCmdr
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu

70 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2005 :  07:49:26 AM  Show Profile
"Brand X political movement".

I think the old GI Joe cartoon did an awesome job of this with "Cobra!", (hence my name) who were worse shots than storm troopers, yet managed to parachute out of any plane or vehicle as it exploded.
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RVHorror
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
532 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2005 :  10:00:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit RVHorror's Homepage
Aliens would work. You can have alien terrorists and best of all, there aren't any special interest groups to complain.

So far as we know.
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Juniper
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

616 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2005 :  11:33:36 AM  Show Profile
And if there were it would impossible to understand anyway "Grebble snrok zrysik! Nikandksd blorta skwysn niaks, greeble!"

"The Devil Made this Movie for You!"
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CobraCmdr
Diocesan Ecclesiarch of the Sacred Order of Jabootu

70 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2005 :  12:03:06 PM  Show Profile
Do scientologists count as an Alien special interest group?
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