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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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 Posted - 11/18/2005 : 12:21:36 PM
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Considering a large number of celebrities in Hollywood are scientologists, I doubt they would ever be used.
The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist. |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 12:24:12 PM
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BradH812, are you saying you think that Christians might commit such an act in the near future? Considering the extreme restraint the people of this country have shown since 9/11, I would beg to differ.
The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist. |
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BradH812
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1294 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 1:55:22 PM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
BradH812, are you saying you think that Christians might commit such an act in the near future? Considering the extreme restraint the people of this country have shown since 9/11, I would beg to differ.
The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist.
No, Terrahawk, I was suggesting that Twitter's "Brand X Political Movement" joke might be used for real in a movie or TV show, flour sacks and voice synthesizers and all. |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 2:29:23 PM
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To that I can wholeheartedly agree. Of course it will happen because they will steal her idea and give her no credit. :-)
The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist. |
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Mr. Blue
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Papua New Guinea
648 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 2:42:07 PM
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Ubiq, I take it you are unfamiliar with the Excel Saga anime.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excel_Saga[/url]
"Because, as we all know, when it comes to saving the world, no-one gets the job done quite like a bunch of sleazy, drunken, irresponsible morons."-Lyz of AYCYAS |
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John Nowak
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1017 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 08:09:15 AM
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Excel Saga had the best closing credits ever.
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We've always been united in stupidity. That's why there is no hope. But, then again, when has that ever stopped us?
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jedimom
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1239 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 09:10:20 AM
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I'm sorry, guys, you're missing a couple of important points in this discussion.
1. I have yet to meet an American who believes all Christians are terrorists. I have met several who believe all Muslims are terrorists. That fire does not need to be fed. Moreover, there are damn few portrayals in movies and TV of Muslims and/or Arabs who are NOT violent, misogynist crooks at the very least. My personal preference would be for having some Muslim or Arab regulars on TV series who are just going about their lives, taking their kids to school, etc. rather than picking a new group to demonize, but what do I know?
2. There are a good many active "Christian" hate organizations in this country (e.g. Christian Identity). Some of them advocate violence. There may be similar Muslim organizations here in the US but if there are, they're keeping a lower profile.
I'd also like to point out that there were two gentlemen named Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols who were neither Muslim nor Arab.
Just for kicks, here's an article on domestic terror groups and their attempts to infiltrate the US military: http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/presley.htm . Imagine the reaction if THIS were made into a movie.
The Southern Poverty Law Center keeps tabs on domestic hate groups. You might want to check out their website: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp
Finally: if when we're keeping a lookout for violent loonies, we only look for dark-skinned people with accents who keep saying "Insh'allah", we are liable to miss something.
"Oh, that is so lame! You will pay for your use of inappropriate dialogue!" --Mojo Jojo, "Power Prof" |
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
237 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 12:41:08 PM
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There's quite a difference between hate groups that "advocate" violence and real terrorist organizations. Neo-Nazis, the Klan and their ilk are simply laughable... suggesting that the KKK could mount an attack the likes of 9/11 is far-fetched, to say the least.
The Oklahoma City bombing was by far the worst domestic terror incident in American history, but it also marked the end of the anti-government militia movement as a serious threat. Those groups were all pushed even further to the margins of society... they have no funding, training or popularity.
Foreign terrorist groups, on the other hand, have been responsible for hundreds of incredibly deadly attacks all around the world - the Khobar Towers, the USS Cole, the Munich Olympics massacre, the Iran hostage crisis, the Beirut embassy and Marine barracks bombing, the TWA hijacking, the Pan Am 103 bombing, the UTA flight 772 bombing, the first World Trade Center attack, the embassy bombings in East Africa, and of course 9/11, just to name a few.
These groups are well financed, well organized, have access to destructive technology and have a lot of popular support in some regions of the world (I don't remember masses of Americans dancing in the streets with the Oklahoma City bomb went off). All the incidents mentioned above were perpetrated by Arab or Islamic terror groups, and most of the terrorists were male.
It is wrong to exclusively focus on one group, but there has been a certain trend here that's impossible (and extremely dangerous) to ignore in the name of "fairness."
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
237 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 12:42:20 PM
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Whoops -
P.S. - here's a link to the State department's listing of terrorist incidents from 1961 - 2003:
[url]http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm[/url] |
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Terrahawk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
644 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 1:37:34 PM
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Jedimom, not all Muslims are terrorists but Islam is based on a violent religious doctrine. Religions take their character from their founders and their holy texts. Read the Koran and look at the Hadiths (traditions) and see that they are filled with misogynism, murder, lies, brutality and slaughter. Now, that doesn't mean other religions aren't violent at times, but Christianity, Buddhism, et. al. have founders and holy texts that are not founded on those items. Would you be suspect of a neo-Nazi member living next door? He takes care of his family, is nice to his neighbors, doesn't do anything violent, and may from time to time rant about the Jews. I know I would be suspicious regardless of how he acted because what he believes is violent and evil. So, while a Muslim may be nice, their beliefs make them suspect. All religions are not the same.
The McVeigh bombing has one significant difference. Why did he do it? Did he do it to expand Christianity? No, he did it because he didn't like the government. Why do Muslims commit terrorism? Virtually every time it is for the cause of Islam and to expand it's power. Martydom and jihad the only definite ways to get to Paradise in Islam. So, there is a major inducement to commit violence.
Your referral to Christian hate groups lacks an import fact. No major Christian group supports them. They are denied and disavowed at every point. The Vatican doesn't issue statements supporting them. Look at Islam. The Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR) is probably the most well know Islamic group in the country. Several of their top members have been charged and/or convicted of terrorist activities. Plus, the denials issued by Islamic groups tend to be so full of holes that they are worthless. Muslims tend to use terms in ways that are different than we expect. When Muslims refer to peace they mean peace under Islam. Islam divides the world in the realm of Lands of Peace (Dar al-Islam) and Lands of War (Dar al-Harb). According to Islam, we are in a land of war.
You might want to look at:
www.jihadwatch.com
pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com
Look at some sites of ex-Muslims.
I'm not advocating violence against Muslims, but I don't think Islam and Western culture are compatible. I would prefer to stop Muslim immigration, deportation of all Muslim non-citizens, inducements for Muslims leave and go to countries where their beliefs are compatible, and a general separation between Islam and the West with limited contact.
The ROPe gives you three options, convert, submit, or die. There is a fourth, resist. |
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Huntress
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 3:20:10 PM
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On a related note, I can still remember an episode of the series version of "Tremors" where an environmentalist group was protesting the supposed negative impact of the human population of Perfection on the graboids, and it turned out that the environmentalist leader himself was poisoning the graboids in an attempt to "prove" his point. I still remember being flabbergasted that they had the balls to pick on a Hollywood "protected group" like environmentalists.
"If it's not hard to get, against the law or fattening, we don't want it." - Looking for Love |
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Ubiq
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 4:50:11 PM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
Now, that doesn't mean other religions aren't violent at times, but Christianity, Buddhism, et. al. have founders and holy texts that are not founded on those items.
Unless, of course, you count the Old Testament.
Remember the Amalekites?
Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (1 Sam. 15:3).
How about all of those towns and tribes that Joshua exterminated?
BM: I should have mentioned this at the beginning. I solve my problems with violence. |
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Dirk
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
237 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 7:02:11 PM
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Unless, of course, you count the Old Testament.
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I wouldn't, as the foundation, philosophy and laws of Christianity are found in the New Testament.
But regarding the actual topic, I thought Executive Decision did a good (and eerily prescient) job with the whole "terrorist" angle, but I haven't seen anything like that lately.
I wonder if there was this much worry about offending the Japanese or the Germans during World War II. |
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Ubiq
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2005 : 11:19:55 PM
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Originally posted by Dirk
I wouldn't, as the foundation, philosophy and laws of Christianity are found in the New Testament.
Then why include it in the Bible in the first place?
The Old Testament is only not part of Christianity when somebody wants to focus on the kinder, gentler aspects of the religion.
Considering that Jesus was Jewish, I can't quite see how the Old Testament was not the basis of his core beliefs, even if he was influenced by other religions such as Jainism or Buddhism.
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I wonder if there was this much worry about offending the Japanese or the Germans during World War II.
Unlikely, though the Germans were rarely ever caricatured as an entire race. Plus I really don't know that there were many people arguing back them that Nazis as a group should be considered to represent Christianity as a whole.
BM: I should have mentioned this at the beginning. I solve my problems with violence. |
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twitterpate
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
1026 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2005 : 1:30:45 PM
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Actually, folks, I was at least semi-serious about my proprosal - at least as far as its benefits to Hollywood.
Let's face it, Hollywood does not do "terrorist attack" plots to delve into deep political, economic or religious issues - they mostly write these story for the basic elements of innocents in danger, armed evildoers, and a chance for the heroes to act heroically. For this purpose, it doesn't really matter WHO the terrorists are, just that the heroes defeat them by the end of the day.
Unfortunately, Hollywood today wants to convince us - and possibly itself - that it can contribute in a relevant manner to political issues of today. It's aware that if it primarily shows Islamic terrorists that this can be translated, in the minds of the audience, to "all Islam is about terrorism". However, it seems unwilling to realize that if it selects only WASP males as its evildoers, the same message eventually gets passed; that you can tell the potential for evil simply by profiling the race, gender and socio-economic status of a person.
"Brand X" would at least put the message across that terrorists are evil not because of WHO they are, but for WHAT they do. |
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