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New Hinda
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Israel
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 Posted - 07/03/2007 : 04:03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Terrahawk
Actually, I'll take a swipe at the use of Godwin's law. Let's face the fact that liberals have made everyone but the Nazis some victimized class.
Once they stopped writing sweet,little diaries and sitting around waiting to be murdered, like Anne Frank, may the almighty avenge her blood, and dared to commit the sin of surviving, the Jews in Israel stopped being a victim class. |
Edited by - New Hinda on 07/03/2007 04:06:26 AM |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 04:11:28 AM
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It's not that they don't support international communism anymore, it is that they were international communism. Without them out of business, countries like Vietnam or China have become "acceptable", and only old enemies like North Korea or Cuba are still on the black list.
About the Franco issue, that's a tough one, but if I ask around probably Francisco Franco will raise more supporters, as he saved us from the evils of communism, freemasonry, jewish conspiracies and (shudders) democracy. |
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 07:40:13 AM
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Well, regarding the Russia vs US/Western Europe thing thing, I think it boils down to:
The USSR was viewed as an international threat (and they had a large army stationed in the heart of Europe), contemporary Russia is viewed as a regional annoyance (I doubt they could conquer the Baltic Republics much less Ukraine or Europe). Somehow I can't picture any modern b-movies being made of Russia conquering the US or Europe.
"I reserve the right to look as well as be boring." - Robert Fripp |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 09:59:50 AM
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Well, you have a point there. Definitely present-day Russia is not a threat to Europe as it used to be on the old days. Still, I think many western polititians are being very hypocritical towards Putin's regime.
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 10:43:06 AM
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Well the West needs Putin for gas and Iran (and any other Security Council stuff they want to get passed) so they don't want to get him too angry. Putin may gloat at this but, really, it's quite a comedown from the Stalin and Khruschev days.
"I reserve the right to look as well as be boring." - Robert Fripp |
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Spain
1590 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 11:01:45 AM
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Maybe, but it still is the gas bill coming before human rights. I can't respect any polititian with those priorities.
Any more "flammable" issues around? |
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
727 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 3:21:50 PM
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A friend of mine at work is writing a play, in which, every so often, Hitler comes in and offers useful advice to the main characters that sheds light on their arguments and is quite eloquent. To which the characters always respond, "Yeah, but you're HITLER."
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Prankster
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
Canada
727 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 3:28:09 PM
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And yeah, Neville's got it bang on. The current crop of politicos keep using "They oppress their own people!" as an excuse to castigate or, um, invade certain countries, while turning a blind eye to others. As a result of which, the US has lost the credibility to allow it to actually do anything about human rights abuses.
The Oliver Stone thing is so weird. Of course, I can never get over the suspicion that, unlike Kim Jong-il, Ahmenadijad is only *pretending* to be crazy. This is just another salvo in this.
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 5:18:54 PM
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The current crop of politicos keep using "They oppress their own people!" as an excuse to castigate or, um, invade certain countries, while turning a blind eye to others
That's hardly new though ... Marcos, the Shah of Iran, Pinochet, and hell, even Stalin during World War 2, got soft treatment and/or aid from politicos and governments in the West because it suited their political goals at the moment.
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
648 Posts |
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zombiewhacker
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
USA
1475 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2007 : 7:17:53 PM
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Well, before anyone gets too self-righteous about politicians and their double-standards, let's not forget the batting average for the citizenry isn't much higher. Maybe we're just not seeing it reflected in the US media, but I don't know of too many protests outside Russia where millions have demonstrated against Putin, let alone have burned him and the Russian flag in effigy. Are they marching in France? Are they chanting and waving placards in Spain?
When Italians are not trying American soldiers in absentia for supposed Iraqi war crimes, are they swarming the streets demanding Kim Jung-Il's head on the stick? Tell me what news station those protests are on, I'll set my Tivo.
And how many world citizens can even name the Chinese premier who continues to crush Tibetans and threaten peaceful Taiwan while selling arms to Iran and other terror-supporting countries? (For the record, it's Wen Jia-Bao.)
By contrast, at least once a year we see "peace activists" internationally demonstrate against Bush and the US. Because, ya know, Bush bad. Very bad.
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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 10:08:57 PM
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No, it doesn't.
I seem to recall Fidel Castro getting a standing ovation when he walked into the U.N. wearing that pistol holster. I'm sure that if you compared body counts between Pinochet and Castro, Castro would have the larger number.
A standing ovation. And you've never had one legitimate election with more than one party or any serous opposition allowed.
No, economics doesn't explain everything. In many things economics is trumped by ideology. For Pinochet, as bad as he was, did voluntarily submit himself to an election that he lost. He stepped down, but not after repairing the economic damage did to his country by his communist predecessor.
If economics explained everything, Pinochet would've gotten a standing ovation (even though he was a total bastard) and Castro would've castigated for turning Cuba into a destitute backwater and laughing stalk. |
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Gristle McThornbody
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu
Germany
186 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2007 : 03:13:30 AM
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Originally posted by Neville
Oh, and being a leftist of sorts, I want to add an addendum to Godwin's law, because I imagine that I'm more prone to mention Nazis than everybody else when it comes to political ramblings. I'd like to extend the "ban" to the words "Communist" and "Stalinist" too.
As there's not a whole lot of organized Nazis running around, I agree with the Nazi point. But there are still Communists, Communist nations, and Communist organizations that front and fund numerous left-wing activities; some of these people, organizations, and countries are Stalinist. So I'm going to call for a ban on calling for bans on the words "Communist" and "Stalinist".
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