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EFH
Minister of the Sacraments of Jabootu

27 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2008 :  5:09:51 PM  Show Profile
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/01/wcotillard101.xml[/url]

Wow, famous are so smart. Much more intelligent then those knuckle dragging engineers, investigators, astronauts (American, Soviet, and now Chinese), astronomers to name a few.

My eyes are open. We are through the looking glass here people.

Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

1126 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2008 :  5:46:41 PM  Show Profile
I love the Moon Landing conspiracy people. By the time you build those bigass Saturn Five Rockets and send 'em up in space (and no one can deny that was real) what the hell is the point of not going the rest of the way?

"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
--Tampopo

EDIT- typo

Edited by - Sardu on 03/01/2008 7:32:08 PM
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
833 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2008 :  5:54:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit TheFoywonder's Homepage
I work with a hardcore conservative who vehemently believes the moon landing was faked, a libertarian so adament about the Kennedy assassination that he practically starts frothing at the mouth the moment he sees or hears anything arguing that Oswald acted alone, and a liberal Christian so paranoid about the Bush administration he's insinuated in the past that they somehow used a satellite to steer Hurricane Katrina in the Gulf Coast, somehow caused the Southeast Asian tsunamis that killed so many, and once even tried to argue that Bush himself was the Antichrist. Heck, my own grandmother was convinced the Libyans blew up the Challenger.

I know this thread was started as another means to engage in the board's famous pasttime of taking turns talking about how stupid such and such Hollywood liberal is, but really, at this point there's no shortage of crackpot conspiracy theorists all across the geo-political and religious spectrum. I'm all for a good conspiracy theory and a healthy dose of skepticism but I can't help but find it depressing how so many these days instantly assume there's some sort of sinister manifestations behind everything.

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Citizen Carrier
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

322 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2008 :  7:15:58 PM  Show Profile
Occam's Razor was the biggest and most tragic casualty of Watergate and the JFK assasination.
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TheFoywonder
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
833 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  03:56:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit TheFoywonder's Homepage
A review of the 80's alien invasion miniseries V that I stumbled upon at Amazon.com. Should give you a good laugh.
quote:
Most science fiction contains a lot of truth. Knowing truth from fiction will let you see reality in a whole new ball park. Are you ready to open your eyes and see life as it really is? About 12,000 years ago Lucifer lead a rebellion against Heaven and one third of the Angels were punished as God mutated their DNA with lizards and created REptilians. Earth was also partially destroyed at the time as the Angels had huge beautiful cities called Atlantis and Lemuria that were completely demolished by meterors because of the rebellion. God recreated the earth about 6,000 years ago and created mankind and gave him dominion over all creatures. Man can cast out satans forces thru faith in the most high. The reptilians created new civilizations in the Orion belt and underground on earth where they are today. the saucers you saw on V are left overs similiar to the ones they had on Atlantis. The replilians TV series V was an excellent representation of what these devils are doing today on Earth. There is a huge city the size of new york city, full of reptilians about 5 miles beneth the surface of northern new mexico. Over 500,000 Americans every year are captured for food and experiments but none are reported. They currently have over 22 space stations in orbit where they do dna manipulation using humans, similiar to Racoon city in the movie. They control most governments on earth today thru thru the united nations and the Illuminati. Secret societies such as the masonic lodges 33rd degree and above, worship lucifer which allows SAtan to claim their soul and give their bodies to a shape shifting reptilian. When a polotician gets elected to a high office SAtan claims their soul and lets a reptilian take their body. They now control the USA, Great Britian and most countries on the planet thru the New world order world bank and banksters like the rothchilds, Morgans, and Rockefellers who are all reptilians or possessed by a reptilian. Dont stop here research this crap on the net. thewatcherfiles.com has plenty of reference. Only thru faith in the most high will you be safe from Satans reptilians. V is real, we just dont know it cause it is all kept above top secret. They enjoy making movies about this stuff and calling them fiction just so they can get a good laugh at just how friggin stupid humans really are.


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Greenhornet
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

1791 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  07:40:01 AM  Show Profile
I was going to post, but I can't follow TheFoywonder's act!

"The Queen is testing poisons." CLEOPATRA, 1935
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  07:49:16 AM  Show Profile
There acutally an epithet used these days to describe 9/11 conspiracy buffs, "twoofers". It's a bastardization of "9/11 Truth."
Sometimes it's spelled "troofers."

"I reserve the right to look as well as be boring." - Robert Fripp
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Neville
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

Spain
1590 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  08:23:00 AM  Show Profile
Ironically, in my country most conspiracy theorists are right wingers. Probably it's because both the conservatives and the media that supports have been living in denial for the last four years. Even today, a week before the next elections, it's not difficult to find polititians or media that still claim the March 11th 2004 terrorist attacks were ETA's doing. And those are the least nutty of the bunch.

Unfortunately, though, the likes of Mrs. Cotillard also sound way too familiar. You won't find many Europeans who doubt the Moon landing, but conspiracy theories about the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks are still everywhere. And given our endemic anti-Americanism and the scarce credibility we give to the present U.S. administration, I'd say we're beyond hope in that department.
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  09:33:07 AM  Show Profile
While the far right has long had a near monopoly on political paranoia, See "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (I forget the author but will look it up for you), the far left is not all that far behind. Noam Chomsky, that arrogant loony left linguist, has, for decades, been touting vast conspiracies about everything. He seems to have secret information detailing conspiracies in everything that happens in the world. I wonder with so much worry, how he sleeps at night. I also wonder how all this secret information wound up on his desk. You would think that some of it would make the papers, but ah, the papers are part of the cover up conspiracy.
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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  09:43:01 AM  Show Profile
The Paranoid Style in American Politics

By Richard Hofstadter

The book in from 1964 and deals mostly with the right but Hofstadter concludes with a thought that applies to both right and left:

We are all sufferers from history, but the paranoid is a double sufferer, since he is afflicted not only by the real world, with the rest of us, but by his fantasies as well.

and excerpt was first published in Harpers in November 1964 and can be seen here: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

1126 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  10:51:50 AM  Show Profile
The Reptilian conspiracy thing is definitely not new. I had a friend who was way into it 20 years ago- had a whole box of taped lectures about it. It was almost a $*c*i*e*n*t*o*l*o*g*y type theory- something about a reptile alien race at war with a wolf race, or something, and they shape change and live among us- wild stuff. Never thought about it before but the creators of V might have heard of it and based some things on it. Most conspiracy nuts I know aren't right, left or anything else- they're in the "You're ALL blind" camp *lol*

"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
--Tampopo
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Ericb
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  11:31:23 AM  Show Profile
The twoof is out there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBuH8NNIBys

"I reserve the right to look as well as be boring." - Robert Fripp
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Sardu
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

1126 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2008 :  7:32:54 PM  Show Profile
There you go! A stack of plastic trays doesn't fall, so the towers certainly couldn't have. Q.E.D. In your face, science!

"Meeting you makes me want to be a real noodle cook"
--Tampopo
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Flangepart
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
2329 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2008 :  07:15:19 AM  Show Profile
Conspiracy Theory : Unproovable concept used by unstable people to place their self image above that of everyone else.


Marvin the Paranoid Android to Buzz Lightyear "Too infinity and beyond-i've been there, its rubbish!"

"Hoody Hoo, i waste 'em with my cross bow!" Bob Herzog- KODT

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Culfy
Preeminent Apostolic Prelate of the Discipleship of Jabootu

United Kingdom
113 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2008 :  10:54:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit Culfy's Homepage
Actually, it's been so long since I last heard a good conspiracy theory that I reckoned the government was suppressing them all.








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RossM
Holy Cardinal and Five Star General of the Righteous Knighthood of Jabootu

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2008 :  12:04:03 PM  Show Profile
Just read any of Noam Chomsky's articles in far left wing magazines like The Nation or Mother Jones. He has a new vast conspiracy every week. This week's one legitimizes the murder of Klinghoffer because, according to Chomsky, it is was legitimate response to a vast Israel - U.S conspiracy involving Tunisia and a cover up, (which of course only Chomsky knows about) The conspirator is always The United States or Israel whose overwhelming evil leaves the rest of the world no choice but to engage in terror.

Conspiracy fantasies give the paranoid, like Chomsky, a feeling that they have inside knowledge that no one else has and can put it all together in a way that no one else has done. Its a feeling of empowerment to someone who otherwise feels himself to be on the margins. I like to pray "dear Lord lead me to people who seek the truth, but save me from those who know it".
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